Things have got silly... and dangerous.

[Suff]

Could it possibly be that not *all* of the other 17.4 million Leave voters want a Hard Brexit?

Or on the other hand we could just ask...

Could it possibly be that not *all* of the other 16.x million Remain voters want a the EU at ANY Cost?

Any Cost, of course including Schengen, the Euro and the ECB running our banking environment with the Transaction tax, used to prop up all those failed little states, our rebate gone and all Opt Outs on the Horrible Rictus Act removed.

I think you will find that less Remain voters want that, than there are Leave voters who don't want Hard Brexit; if it is the only way out.

But, of course, this is not on the table for discussion because the disingenuous lying bar stewards tried to convince us that none of this was going to happen. EVER. And oh so many of those Remain voters, who know zip about the EU, have ignored all the vast body of information which followed the Brexit vote. Showing that it was ONLY the UK which was holding back the EU from becoming what it was truly meant to be...

Har, har, har, I fell for that one. Honest.

[Suff]

All this talk about EU negotiations is slightly missing the point of my OP - that there is the possibility all the messing about with the Withdrawal Bill could bring the government down.

No I didn't miss it. The press has been wittering on about that for months now. Notice that only on the unimportant stuff has the Government been defeated. On the truly important Brexit stuff, Labour has either abstained or voted to support the Tories in sufficient numbers to make the whole thing a breeze. If the SNP want to keep on walking out, en masse, that will just make things even easier.

The interesting thing in all of this is that the "potential" next government, most at danger from this current situation, is Labour. Right now they are annoying ALL of their voters by sitting on the fence and sucking their thumb.

I've been pointing this out for quite some time now but the press want to witter.

[Suff]

As I was just saying. Don't believe the hype on bringing the government down.

Some of the Tories may want to rebel, some may even think it is right to rebel. But tell them that their rebellion will likely bring the government down and "hey presto", rebellion is squashed.

If you want to look for a direction in which the government may collapse, look West, over the water. But remember, before casting your eyes in that direction, that virtually everything coming out of the Labour camp is in direct opposition to what they want and believe on Brexit.

[cromwell]

Is there anything our politicians can do to make a bigger hash of things than they are at present?

Dominic Grieve put a spoke in the wheel by putting an amendment to the bill for our withdrawal from the European Union. It got defeated in the Commons, went off to the Lords, the Lords voted down the government's bill, back it went to the commons and Grieve's amendment was voted down by the commons again. This time Grieve didn't even vote for his own amendment!

What is this, some sort of game?