So, as predicted, Boris won.

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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby TheOstrich » 22 Aug 2019, 17:54

medsec222 wrote:
Workingman wrote:

Oh stoppt, I can't eat my tea and laugh at the same time. :P :P
Try and eat your tea Frank. With all this scaremongering about food shortages it might be the last decent tea you get for some time :D :D


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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Workingman » 22 Aug 2019, 17:59

Never a truer word spoken in jest. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Suff » 23 Aug 2019, 01:09

Well it is a British thing to laugh at adversity.... :lol: :lol:

Well Merkel has said give us an option which fudges the political language in the next 30 days and we'll think about it. Macron said "The backstop stays, bugger off"

If Merkel wanted to ensure that Boris stays in office for the next month, then she couldn't have said anything better really. Because, no matter how it plays now, the current government needs to be given a month to come up with a plan and then it will require at least 2-3 weeks of negotiation with the EU before that plan can be designated dead. By which time the clock is run down and, even if the government falls, the requisite 15 days to create a new government will exceed the remaining time on A50.

Will Corbyn really call a vote of confidence as soon as they come back? Or will he be forced to wait till Boris has presented the EU with one final offer of a plan to get out of the EU with some kind of deal?

Meds, we're on the same page. Just what most of the MP's are thinking is quite hard to fathom. Do they believe that their voters will have forgotten by the next election? Are they hoping that the Government won't fall? Very odd.

In 9 days our senior representatives to the EU will leave and be repositioned to the rest of the world. I wonder just how much of an earthquake that will cause when we do it? So far it has been business as usual in the EU whilst this all plays out. Leaving the EU with some idea that things will just continue as they were, but just with the UK sidelined. Perhaps that next step of reality will wake a few up? Perhaps not.

I must admit I would expect some No Deal planning to include a switch of ordering for NHS and other government supplies from the EU to elsewhere in the world. It's something I'll be watching for. If we see that it will be a very clear bellwether for where things are going to go. Once it is done, it won't be undone, whether we are out on Nov 1st or not. That will collapse the major EU economies GDP some more all on its own.

Lots of tells to look for. With 20:20 hindsight, under May and Hammond, they just were not there.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Workingman » 23 Aug 2019, 16:20

Suff wrote:In 9 days our senior representatives to the EU will leave and be repositioned to the rest of the world.

Except that they wont. The UK will need to beef up its embassies in 27 EU capitals because it will be working with them independently and not as part of the family. Anything we then get on the EU will only be given on the 'need to know' basis. Even if we only send a couple to each that leaves fewer than 100 to go out into the wider world, and their lies another problem. All these diplomats are experts in their individual EU institutions and the work they do, they are not worldly wise.

And they should not be needed anyway. We have known that we are leaving the EU so we should have already got people in place all over the world doing all those deals that were going to be the easiest ever and be ready to go on 29 March 2019 or was that 12 April or will it be 31 Oct?

How many have we got so far? 13: South Korea, Central America, Andean countries, Norway and Iceland, Caribbean countries, Pacific Islands, Liechtenstein, Israel, Palestinian Authority, Switzerland, The Faroe Islands, Eastern and Southern Africa and Chile. Notice the lack of big-hitters. We only had seven ready on the original leaving date and we have added another six since then. At this rate it will be another four years just to make up the ones lost by Brexit... then we have to start to get the 'extras'.

Let's celebrate, I'll get the beers in.

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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Suff » 26 Aug 2019, 18:46

Workingman wrote:And they should not be needed anyway. We have known that we are leaving the EU so we should have already got people in place all over the world doing all those deals that were going to be the easiest ever and be ready to go on 29 March 2019 or was that 12 April or will it be 31 Oct?


Ah come on now. You and I both know that May never really tried to do that. If we look for actions synonymous with Half Hearted, Mexit is the very epitome.

Of course we have no embassies to Germany or France today....

https://www.gov.uk/world/organisations/ ... ssy-berlin
https://www.gov.uk/world/organisations/ ... assy-paris

These people who will be coming out of the EU will not be talking to the countries direct because the EU talks for them all on trade and for EU laws. Something we will no longer be involved in making decisions on. We will only need to deal with the EU as if they were a single external country, not 28 fractious states in a continuous political war.
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