Possibly 300 dead, and set to rise.

[Workingman]

It is a terrible tragedy, but the response by politicians is weak.

Some say that it should be easier to migrate or seek asylum, and that is the message being carried by the media.

Others say that the traffickers' boats should be turned back, but that is not getting equal coverage.

Well I am for turning the boats back. The tide has to turn. Europe cannot continue to take all these migrants, especially when so many of them are anti-European. They keep coming because there is always a hope that they will be allowed to remain, and the traffickers take advantage of that. Take away the hope and let them know for definite that they will be returned without question and the floood might slow to a trickle. That outcome would be safer for all concerned.

[cromwell]

I agree 100%.

[KateLMead]

Terrible terrible tragedy, imagine if we were in the same position.. I really don't know what the answer is.. We have thousands of Afghans living in shocking conditions in tents on the Islamabad border, winter is not far away, we had cold weather in Iran Afghanistan and Iraq in the winter months., and the poor Syrians who have fled and have lost everything. Mans inhumanity to man.. As I say I am in a quandary I truly don't know what action can and should be taken, they should not be abandoned but how can countries take the burden that mass immigration causes.
My heart goes out to these people.

[TheOstrich]

Terrible terrible tragedy, imagine if we were in the same position.. I really don't know what the answer is.. We have thousands of Afghans living in shocking conditions in tents on the Islamabad border, winter is not far away, we had cold weather in Iran Afghanistan and Iraq in the winter months., and the poor Syrians who have fled and have lost everything. Mans inhumanity to man.. As I say I am in a quandary I truly don't know what action can and should be taken, they should not be abandoned but how can countries take the burden that mass immigration causes.
My heart goes out to these people.

I understand and share your sentiments, Kate.

Nevertheless, whilst it is difficult - perhaps callous - to be hard-hearted, we simply cannot open the floodgates. You will have seen the Syrian refugees who occupied part of the port of Calais yesterday demanding asylum in Britain because France is not welcoming enough. There was a Pakistani living in Greece who was interviewed earlier this week as part of a BBC report on the Golden Dawn issue, and he clearly said that he now wanted to come to Britain "as he would be safe there". A spokesperson for a charity combating forced marriage in the UK, interviewed on the BBC today, gave, as her first reason why forced marriage is still prevalent, the ability to bring new family members to the UK.

For our own sakes, we really need to ban all newcomers into this country without fear or favour. Otherwise we will simply be over-run.

We are already seeing major shifts in the traditional culture of this country to accommodate minorities. For example, the railway stations at Slough and Levenshulme (Manchester) now sport Punjabi and Arabic signs on the platforms. Flu vaccinations to children in Glasgow are being delayed by Muslims protesting about gelatine used in the nasal spray containing pork .....

If we don't get a grip soon .....

[Workingman]

My thinking goes something like this.

The first world will at some point have to stop mass migrations from the third world. It is inevitable. On the one hand they will bring their own cultures and practices with them, on the other they will, are, take(ing) jobs from the locals. Long before we reach the point when we are "full up" there will be troubles. It is a recipe for internal strife.

I said it before, and I still believe it. These people are worth more to the lands they leave than they ever will be to the countries they (attempt) to migrate to. We desperately need more effort from the international community to keep them in place rather than let them evacuate.

[KateLMead]

I agree with you both, I am not sure where we will land up, chaos is already prevalent in our society, rather than the bloody EU forcing us to allow millions in as from next year I would shut those gates and would rather see some of the poor scraps of humanity that we witness by the day. "But then I don't know" typical woman that I am..

[Suff]

This comes down to one very simple point.

The third world produces more people per year than their countries can support. They will continue doing this so long as they feel they have an option to do so. They have flooded their own countries with people to bursting point. If we let them come to us, then they will keep on doing so until they do the same to us.

Then what? Billions of people will have been born to die in filth and squalor who should not have been born. Billions of others will lose life and quality through flooding with just the overflow.

I know it seems really harsh, but they have to solve their own problems and they can't just export to us. The only way to do that is to stop them exporting and bring their own systems to a point that they must act.

In the end, far, far, less will die. I try to keep my eye on the big numbers, not the local tragedies.

[KateLMead]

Snip for the males.. Sterilisation for the women.it has got to happen for the sake of humanity.

[Aggers]

This movement of populations cannot be allowed to continue on its ever-growing scale.

It is the recipe for the collapse of all civilised societies.

I agree with Kate....

The only answer that can possibly work is world-wide contraception, and the United Nations should address this solution before it is too late.

[KateLMead]

I had five of our male staff snipped in the Philippines, Alberto one of the gardener's whose poor wife was like a work horse with nine children utterly exhausted, he was also almost blind.
.I personally drove them the 20 miles to the hospital and stayed with them to drive them home. I told the Jesuit priest a close friend (who liked his whiskey) what I intended, he said "do not tell me Kate" !!!
Some months later Alberto's poor wife produced her 10th child!!!, they called him Patrick (after my husband)
And one of my girls produced another baby girl that she called Kathleen!
Alberto told me his Patrick was an act of God.