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Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby Suff » 12 May 2023, 11:12

There is a controversy going on about Bkack/White violence in the US on twitter right now.

A report was released about this and it amalgamated both inter racial violence with inter racial violence.

What it does is produce a graph which shows a HUGE bar for white/White violence.

But if you strip out the inter racial violence, you find that black to white violence is 10x white black violence.

Even worse if you calculate the relative population size, if a white person meets a black person on the street, then the white person is 50 times more likely to see violence than the black person.

Yet this report is specifically designed to hide that fact.

This is the woke world we live in.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby cromwell » 12 May 2023, 13:37

The USA is like the UK then - inconvenient truth gets suppressed.

They political class seems to want us to buy into a world of make believe. Not for me I'm afraid.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby Workingman » 12 May 2023, 14:58

In the 'real world' UK, with relation to its ethnic makeup, black / coloured on white violence is many times more prevalent than the other way round, yet the reports in the media, by the police, social services and other agencies never reflect this.

We all, apparently, live in 'advert world' where we all mix and get along like besties and happy bunnies. And get this; anyone who says otherwise is always, always, a racist.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby Suff » 12 May 2023, 15:44

Worse is that the specific report in case was from the US justice department.

They used the very high numbers of white/white crime (where white is 60% of the population), to hide the scope of black/white crime by treating it as a % of all white crime instead of a relative value comparing one race to another. They did give a nod to the 12% of the population being 1.8x the median whereas white and hispanic was 0.8. But black/black crime is very high, circa 70% of all incidents on black people. Nearly 10% higher than white/white crime. Making the number of black/white incidents an even larger problem.

As my maths ability is not good, I tried to get ChatCPT to calculate the numbers for me. Oh it would give me w/w and b/b but absolutely refused to give me cross race figures. Although it did tell me how to calculate it.

This is another little interesting thing. Because those who make ChatGPT and other kinds of chatbots are California based and deeply immersed in Woke. They are determined to control how we think.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby cromwell » 12 May 2023, 17:02

Suff wrote: They are determined to control how we think.

There is something in this.

As WM says, we live in advert land, allegedly. Where 90% of all marriages are interracial, where everybody loves each other. It's not remotely true.

Yes, the crime stats are being massaged in the USA, because they go against the mantra that the black person is always the victim and the white person is always to blame.

But even worse to me is the Trans debate.

We are being told, seriously, that if a man says he is a woman, then he is. No he is not!!!

In the states they have had the "transgender" social media personality Dylan Mulvaney advertise sports bras for Nike.
He's a skinny bloke. He doesn't have breasts. For him to advertise any sort of bra is ridiculous!

But we are asked to buy into the idea that this camp, capering caricature of a woman really is one. And if yu disagree with this blatant lunacy, then you are a bad, bad person.


“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” George Orwell, 1984.

Ahead of his time, wasn't he?
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby Workingman » 12 May 2023, 17:55

cromwell wrote:But even worse to me is the Trans debate.

Ah, yes, that's the other one.

Self-defining as an acorn does not make you an acorn anymore than a male defining themselves as a woman, or vice-versa, makes them one.

There is no such thing as transgender. Even with steroids, hormones, parts added, parts removed or modified, a person keeps their gender as born.

People might "feel" that they are of the opposite sex to what they were born, and we should feel sympathy for them, but we must stop pretending that they actually are what they claim to be. They are not.

See "Caitlyn Jenner" (Bruce) on I'm A Celeb for details. Bruce now claims to be a woman but looks like a bloke, speaks like a bloke, yet has boobs. Trans... no.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby Suff » 13 May 2023, 23:41

I must admit I was mostly bothered by the fact that if you have a criminal issue where people are being attacked, raped, murdered, but you hide the true numbers, then how are you ever going to resolve it?

If a cop knows that a Black person is 50x more likely to pull a gun on them than a White, then they are going to respond differently. If the difference really is 50x, there is no way of hiding it from the police.

The trans stuff irks me too but, mostly, nobody is being hurt or raped. Yes I know some of this has happened. But it is nothing like the scale of the other issue. So the Trans stuff is more about forcing change on the general population so that 0.2% of the population can present themselves as something else. I know that for some their mental health needs it. I have seen this in action. But for some (and I don't know how large that group is), this seems to be a lifestyle thing and a "look at me I'm different"; rather than a really serious issue we should be dealing with.

It is an entirely different order of magnitude to the violence issue!

Although the same principle of "believe what I say and not the evidence of your eyes and ears" applies.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby cromwell » 14 May 2023, 09:41

Suff wrote:I must admit I was mostly bothered by the fact that if you have a criminal issue where people are being attacked, raped, murdered, but you hide the true numbers, then how are you ever going to resolve it?


It is my honest belief that billionaires are responsible for much of what is happening in the world, with their strong influence over elected politicians.

And billionaires do not care how dangerous things are for the ordinary person so long as they are OK. Which with their gated mansions and their armed private security, they are.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby TheOstrich » 14 May 2023, 14:57

But even worse to me is the Trans debate.


You can make an innocent remark to another person, and suddenly you're in an incident like this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... bours.html

If she'd spoken to me like that, her feet wouldn't have touched the ground. Well done Starbucks for sacking her.
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Re: Lies, damned lies and statistics Again

Postby Suff » 14 May 2023, 20:53

Thanks for that Ossie. Because this kind of nutcase would elicit exactly the wrong response from me and I won't allow that, I have a trained voice and I'm far to strong to just let my emotions run high over something like this.

I will spend some time now and have a long think about this because I'm sure this kind of thing is going to get worse. No point in being put in the wrong because you reacted naturally to this kind of intransigence and, let's be honest, violence.

If someone is going to fly off the handle about the gender of their staff because you didn't use the gender they are "identifying" as, then they need to be labelled with the gender they are identifying as. Otherwise I'm afraid they're going to be called "it" until they reveal what they are identifying as.

After all that is what we do with the animal kingdom when we can't identify the gender easily.
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