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Postby Suff » 12 Sep 2015, 09:02

Hard.

As it becomes clear that Germany has already taken nearly half a million immigrants and as it becomes clear that this is only a drop in the ocean, the 160,000 quota being talked about by Junker becomes nothing more than a pipe dream. This is nothing more than one month of the flood that is coming through.

It can only get worse. At 5,000 a day, that's nearly 2 million a year and that is _only_ those making it over by land, through the Balkans, from Greece and Turkey. This doesn't include all those trying to make it via ship from North Africa.

The statement from Germany that they will take nearly a million immigrants has opened the flood gates. It was stupid to the point of insanity and all it did was encourage, quite literally, millions of people, to think that all they had to do was make it to the EU and their problems would be solved.

Never mind the fact that the EU is averaging 10% unemployment or that the EU economy is sitting on the sidelines refusing to grow. Never mind the fact that social and health services in the EU countries can't cope with this level of influx on an annual basis. No matter how bad it gets for us in the EU, it will still be infinitely better than what they left and, let's be clear here, they don't care how bad they make it for us so long as things are better for them.

What do we do when it's 100 million on the move? We've already proved that we are incapable of closing our borders to tens of thousands. We are incapable of processing thousands and we have no will to send those who are illegal back to their home countries.

It can't end well.

I wonder when all those Germans and Austrians who rushed to their cars to pick up those "poor deprived refugees", because their governments would not do anything for this one time problem, because the press keep telling them that we're failing these poor people; will begin to feel like idiots as the tens and hundreds of thousands more pour over the border?

I wonder when all these poor deprived "good citizens abroad" will start to tear down the Hungarian fences with sheer numbers? No matter the cost in lives. I wonder then what the Hungarians will do.

I'm probably more prepared for this than most. I've had nearly two decades to think through the ramifications of 1 billion people displaced by climate change who will simply move somewhere else and take, by main force, that which is not on offer. It is no surprise to me that huge numbers of city people would just "go somewhere" and expect someone else to "fix it" for them in a world where borders have become fixed and you require to be registered to move anywhere.

As an ex member of the Army I've had to deal with the reality that 1,000 police or Army can't stop 100,000 people from doing exactly what they want to do unless you choose to start killing them. Because when that number of people decide to do something and decide that the consequences don't matter, then the only force capable of stopping them is the Armed Forces and their training is to "kill the enemy" not "keep the peace".

The Sky article states

42,000 migrants were expected to enter Hungary by next week.


And if Hungary decides to try and stop them? What next.

We are going to have some horrifying scenes over the next few months. Summer is over, Autumn is here, as Winter sets in these people are going to start becoming desperate. We've already seen that they hold their children up in some attempt to force us to do what they want, regardless of the danger they put these children in.

Already they believe that the laws of the land they are crossing don't matter. So far we are not applying them. When we do, are we lighting the blue touch paper on the powder keg?
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby cromwell » 12 Sep 2015, 10:21

The only way to stop them is with force. But no one seems to have the nous to realise this.
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby Workingman » 12 Sep 2015, 10:34

I wonder if there is still an element of Cold War thinking in the old Warsaw Pact countries?

They tried desperately hard, and with success, to preserve their histories and cultures and not to become absorbed as second-class citizens of Russia. They will not take kindly if they have to go through all that again now they are in the EU.
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby TheOstrich » 12 Sep 2015, 10:47

Workingman wrote:I wonder if there is still an element of Cold War thinking in the old Warsaw Pact countries?

They tried desperately hard, and with success, to preserve their histories and cultures and not to become absorbed as second-class citizens of Russia. They will not take kindly if they have to go through all that again now they are in the EU.


Yep. Coming very soon to a street corner near you .... the media's done a good job of quietly burying this, haven't they?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 95082.html
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby Suff » 12 Sep 2015, 11:41

Ah Bless, the Arab states are worrying about Assad followers.

I'm willing to bet they are Way more worries about IS fanatics who's stated goal is to incorporate them into a caliphate run by IS....

200 mosques? Red Rag to a Bull I'd say.

Interesting that they are quoting the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. We have a German friend who is a primary teacher in the Frankfurt area. In her class of 32 she has two native German speakers, 28 remedial German speakers and 2 German as a second language speakers who can cope. This is not unusual in the area.

Of course this immigration will help that lots won't it????
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby Suff » 12 Sep 2015, 12:15

Well Hungary is getting it's name smeared isn't it...
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby Workingman » 12 Sep 2015, 12:25

Suff wrote:200 mosques? Red Rag to a Bull I'd say.

Quite!

We are not getting any news of unrest in Germany, but if you go looking for it it is there especially in the old East. I cannot see them thinking that 200 mosques with their madrassas are a good thing.

There is also a lot of anger towards Germany (Merkel) from outside. Maybe once that is spelled out to them the German people will take note.

ETA Re Hungary - at least it is sticking up for itself.
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby Suff » 12 Sep 2015, 14:26

Workingman wrote:ETA Re Hungary - at least it is sticking up for itself.


It is, but very few others are helping or sticking up for them.

If I were Hungarian I might remind the Austrians that the Arch Nazi of all time was an Austrian and perhaps they might want to shut up about it, especially as the "registration centre" is hardly synonymous with a death camp!!!
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby cromwell » 12 Sep 2015, 21:09

I suspect the Germans will see a bit more of this shortly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlm2YGuKfcg
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Re: Reality Bites

Postby Workingman » 12 Sep 2015, 21:28

Crommers, put a few bob on it, then sit back and watch the reaction when they wise up.

This economic political experiment will not end well.
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