Prorogue parliament: will you?

[Suff]

Should Johnson prorogue parliament to force through a no deal Brexit nobody wants or voted for?

So here is my problem.

The remain campaign told us that the £ would collapse, interest rates would rise, the banking sector would be damaged, the UK would be diminished on the World stage and that we would suffer a punishment budget with higher taxes. We were also told there would be capital flight and we would lose jobs.

We were not just told this once but over and over and over again.

All of that is what is being held up as No Deal.

So, in fact, the voters voted for No Deal. At leas t according to the Remain "facts".

The one thing nobody voted for is this stitched up abortion of a list of EU Wants packeged as some kind of saviour to help the UK leave.

By prorogueing parliament to enact No Deal Johnson would be doing exactly what the voters voted for.

[Workingman]

And all the Leave campaigns told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, over and over and over, bless them.

No-deal was widely debated by all the Leave campaigns, wasn't it, and all of its many benefits were laid out before us in the run-up to the vote? No-deal rallies and parties were held up and down the land so that everyone understood that to vote Leave meant no-deal and no other deal. Front page no-deal ads were taken out in the press proclaiming "No-deal or bust" - it was the only option. Every single person knew that if they voted Leave it would mean no deal, didn't they. DIDN'T THEY?

Except that it did not happen that way, and even Farage claimed Norway+ was a good option and that 52:48 meant unfinished business. David Davis - we would get the exact same benefits and Liam Fox - would have all trade deals lined up to sign on the day we left. Not that any of it matters.

What is happening is that the new PM could try to prorogue parliament to push through primary legislation. That is constitutionally unacceptable no matter who the party or what the legislation. It just happens to be that in this case it is Brexit, but nobody knows how or what it could be used for in the future. That's the problem. If it can be used once then it goes in the rule book and can be referred back to for God knows what nefarious purposes.

This really is anti-democracy in action.

[Suff]

And all the Leave campaigns told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, over and over and over, bless them.

I'm not overly bothered about the truth of either side. What concerns me is the duplicity of those in Parliament who want to remain and are using No Deal as a lever because they claim that nobody voted for No Deal.

The truth of the matter is this.

The government of the day campaigned for Remain and their entire approach was what would happen if we left and its impact. That campaign was, absolutely, the embodiment of everything the Remain MP's are, today, trumpeting as No Deal.

So the truth is that the Government of the Day claimed that if we voted Leave we would get the impact of No Deal. Then people voted for it.

So it is time to shut up and deliver on the vote of the people and if they continue to frustrate the vote of the people then they need to be taken out of the picture until that vote is enacted. Once it has been enacted, they can get back to the job of making as much of the best of it that they are capable of. I don't say success because this parliament can snatch defeat from the jaws of any victory.

[Workingman]

So there we have it - the Brexiteer version of "The Truth".

The rest of us... we have to go with it, live with it, or "suck it up" as they say.

Incoming news rocket for all you Brexitremists - we can and will fight back.

[Suff]

It is not my "version" of anything. It is recorded fact.

As for fighting back? Against democracy? Remain lost. Just because they can't deal with it doesn't make it any less of a fact.

[Workingman]

Brextremists flirting with facts, well there's a fist!

The £350m bus, Norway+, deals agreed and ready to sign the minute we leave, everything will remain the same, 52:48 is unfinished business and so on.

You people lied, cheated, fiddled funds and broke the law to get your nebulous Leave vote and now claim that it was always for the hardest of no deals that not one of you campaigned for.

I have never been for a 2nd referendum (or is it 3rd) but it would be a good academic exercise for one to be held on Remain or No Deal with ALL the 'facts' , as best they can be assessed, put to the people.

And please do tell what is democratic about proroguing parliament to force through primary legislation and constitutional change. It has been well body-swerved so far.

[medsec222]

We all have our own views on what is good or bad for the country and who said this and who said that. The fact is the country was offered a referendum and it voted to leave. We are in unknown territory now and no-one can be sure what the impact on leaving will be. There is no doubt about it that the majority of MPs in Parliament would love to derail Brexit, although they won't admit it of course - just making sure the democratic process is adhered to they say, as if they care, all they want to do is to keep the status quo and stay in the EU.

I am not sure how well Boris will do as PM but I hope he is given a decent chance to dislodge the impasse. We need to pull together, stop bitching with each other, and make sure we get the best deal for the UK. If I were asked to vote again, I would do so, but I would still vote to leave. Never in a million years did I think it would take three years and still counting to uncouple from the EU!

[Workingman]

Well I suppose it is fairly obvious that even though I do not want a 2nd ref I would vote Remain again, again and again because it is the very best deal we will ever get.

As for Johnson; I would give him a length of rope and just enough time to use it... or even his very own petard and some matches to play with.

Both would prevent him from proroguing parliament.