Dover is a train wreck, again.

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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby Suff » 23 Jul 2022, 13:53

Workingman wrote:It was a problem because of the numbers of travellers but your lot always wanted to blame it on the EU / French.


The port estimated the demand, estimated the change in timings for each vehicle due to additional checks required by Brexit (stamping the passport at a minimum), and anything around Covid. Increased the booth allocation to 12, way higher than in any other year.

Half the French Douane don't turn up, half the booths are empty and shut. Dover is virtually blockaded and emergency vehicles can't move.

It's the fault of Brexit.

Absolutely I agree with you completely. By leaving the EU we allowed the French Douane to hold up travel to France because, when it really comes down to it, they don't like us very much and they'd rather we didn't come. That's OK, generally in the UK they don't like the French very much either.

There is, also, this little problem that French civil service are in open rebellion because they aren't getting a pay rise but inflation is going through the roof. So they are having a go slow. But let's not let reality intrude here. When the Spanish air traffic controllers shut down and screw the flights in and out of Span that will be the problem of Brexit too. You know it's going to happen because inflation is rocketing and pay rises only come on the back of strikes. But it will be ALL the fault of Brexit.

It may surprise some but 80% of French holiday and France. Only 20% travel. They don't like having to deal with furriners or their language you know!

Most EUphiles think that the EU is all one happy leisure park with everyone singing in tune and the only people not in lock step are the UK. This is pure fantasy land. There are 24 (I think), official languages in the EU and with those languages go centuries of attitude and dislike. In fact the worst possible thing a German or Dutch person can do is to turn up in France and speak English to the French.

The moment you give any one of them a firm handle to screw one, or more, of the others over, they grab it with both hands and start hauling on it.

Brexit is just one of those handles.

They will stop doing this kind of BS when people start turning up 12 hours early and the entire port goes to crap trying to deal with them. Because it will be a wasted effort. Then it will start working more smoothly and all this talk of Brexit will go away again.

Until people start turning up 2 hours early again (they know), then they will do this all over again.
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby Kaz » 23 Jul 2022, 17:47

You can spin it any way you like, without Brexit none of this would be happening. NB you do seem somewhat anti France and the French, considering you’ve chosen to live there - non?
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby Workingman » 23 Jul 2022, 18:03

Leave it, Kaz.

The Bexits will explain everything away due to some other reason.

Never mind, they had 46 years of myths, legends, falsehoods and lies to get their way, Now it's our turn, but with truths and facts. Only another 43 years to go. ;)
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby medsec222 » 23 Jul 2022, 20:16

Many years ago when the European Union (Common Market) was a much smaller trading partnership, I used to think General de Gaulle was unfriendly and anti-British because he kept rejecting the UKs application to join the Common Market. He felt that we as an island nation were too insular to integrate with the rest of the European countries. He was also of the opinion that the UK would want to impose its own conditions and weaken France's position. I think with hindsight de Gaulle was probably right,
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby Osc » 23 Jul 2022, 21:05

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... ef=rl&lp=1

People who voted to restrict free movement are shocked that free movement is being restricted :?
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby Kaz » 24 Jul 2022, 06:33

Exactly, Osc!!
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby miasmum » 24 Jul 2022, 21:56

I'm not blaming it on anyone, I was just quoting you WM :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby miasmum » 24 Jul 2022, 21:58

Kaz wrote:You can spin it any way you like, without Brexit none of this would be happening. NB you do seem somewhat anti France and the French, considering you’ve chosen to live there - non?


But it was happening, WM said it was :? :?
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby Workingman » 24 Jul 2022, 22:36

I did indeed. In the past there were problems, at some times, because of pressure of numbers wanting to travel. However, we did not have Duane at Dover so we eventually got through. Now we have the Brexit thing and that has made things worse, and will continue to do so.

I was simply pointing out that there have always been problems at Dover during the school holidays, but hey, they are made worse by Brexit. Accept it.
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Re: Dover is a train wreck, again.

Postby Suff » 24 Jul 2022, 23:44

Kaz wrote:You can spin it any way you like, without Brexit none of this would be happening. NB you do seem somewhat anti France and the French, considering you’ve chosen to live there - non?


Actually I've become much more like the French and understand them quite well.... :) :) We know the French so well that they talk to us about our local British community as if we were French. So I know very well how they feel and what they think.

As for spin, I was a bit TIC there. Dover has been a train wreck for decades. I should know, I've been through there, quite literally, hundreds of times, over the last 2.5 decades. Anything which causes even the slightest slowdown bungs up the entire town. French Douane action falls into the slowdown category and it has happened many times. It also for flights into Paris and not just for the UK, for anyone who is not Schengen.
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