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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby Workingman » 17 Apr 2014, 20:18

Suff wrote:
Workingman wrote:A secular legislature could quite easily have pointed out that the laws were for one and all and would be applied.


You are, of course, assuming that a secular argument would reach a logical conclusion..

Not really. What I am saying is that governance based on one the rules of one particular sect leaves it open to attack from all other sects. That in turn leads to exemptions for some sects/religions based on their religious beliefs. The masses then argue that if exemption is OK for one it is OK for all, which in turn leads to divisions in society and laws coming into disrepute.

The law states that animals are to be slaughtered in a certain humanitarian way, yet two religions are exempt. The most implacable of those religions has forced meat slaughtered in a different way into our schools just in case one of its followers happens to bite into a pie where the animal was stunned before being killed rather than it having its throat slit and hung up to dry.

The law states that I cannot walk down the street carrying an offensive yet the followers of one religion are allowed to do so, for to prevent them would be against their religious beliefs.

Both laws are seen as "Christian Laws" by these other religions and therefore open to attack. Were they truly secular laws no such attacks could take place.

And to make things clear: I am not against religions working in society - that is what they are supposed to do. They should not, however, be involved in civil law making and the Bishops should be removed from the House of Lords.
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby Aggers » 17 Apr 2014, 21:05

Is it possible to start a new religion having strange modes - for example faces have to be concealed by a mask
but genitalia must be openly displayed for all to see? How many people have to belong to a "Religion" before it
can be recognised? I know this sounds daft, but it's only taking the matter a small step forward, to make a point.

I don't think religion should be taken into account in matters of law, anyhow.
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby miasmum » 18 Apr 2014, 11:30

He's only bothered finding him, to try and find out how he intends to vote next May 8-)
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby Suff » 21 Apr 2014, 08:42

If anyone was in ANY doubt why Cameron's Statement was vital, they should just read This headline.

Oh and God only votes for himself. Even Cameron knows that. The rest of us have to fend for ourselves....
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby Workingman » 21 Apr 2014, 09:36

Oh, I don't know. Britain, the UK, is only christian with a small 'c', or to put it another way it is culturally christian. It is not 'Religiously' Christian by any stretch of the imagination. When people say on a census form that they are Christian it is obvious from Church attendances that they mean christian in the cultural sense. A lot will also say they are Christian because that is how they were baptised, at an age when they had no control over such things, even though they only attend church for BDMs purposes.

I am an Atheist and that is what I put on the census form. I do so because I have the confidence to do so. I am also culturally christian and equally proud and confident in that respect.
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby cromwell » 21 Apr 2014, 09:43

Cameron may be whistling past the graveyard. We are no longer a Christian only country, and haven't been for many years. The most sincere worship in this country is the worship of money, and it has come at a considerable price.
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby Workingman » 21 Apr 2014, 10:58

If Cameron is saying that that we all follow the teachings of a Christian God and that that God should have a say in the formulation of our civil laws, through having Its unelected representatives in the law making chambers, he is off his rocker. The signatories of the letter are right.

If, on the other hand, he is saying that our culture is Christian and that our laws are, and will be, framed on Christian principles then he would be right.
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby TheOstrich » 21 Apr 2014, 10:59

cromwell wrote: The most sincere worship in this country is the worship of money, and it has come at a considerable price.


Worship of money or worship of self, Cromwell? Or are the two the same. I think I need to ponder a bit on that .....

Interesting to see the leading Secularists writing a strong letter to the Telegraph today condemning the twerp Cameron. Definitely off the leash now - yea, it's the new Religion!!
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby Workingman » 21 Apr 2014, 11:18

TheOstrich wrote:Interesting to see the leading Secularists writing a strong letter to the Telegraph today condemning the twerp Cameron. Definitely off the leash now - yea, it's the new Religion!!

And a perfectly reasonable one, by the sound of things. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Cameron has found God

Postby Suff » 22 Apr 2014, 11:44

I'm a bit saddened that nobody picked up what I was saying.

Cameron says the UK is a Christian country and he is branded as an "Intolerant likely to cause racial tensions".

Islamists rant about the UK being an Islamist state and how Sharia law should be applied to the UK and they're branded as????

Wait, they're not branded at all. They're just "misguided". Because it's only White British who can be intolerant and cause racial tensions.

As far as I'm concerned, Cameron should call the UK a Christian country a LOT more....
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