How long can the farce go on?

[Workingman]

Brexit means Brexit is pretty clear.

The 'deal', not my choice of words, that's the media and politicians, is how we get there.

The UK, or what's left of it, will eventually leave all things EU. Unfortunately what we have at the moment, with the current deal, is the UK tied in without any say and nobody knows for how long.

As a Remainer I am not happy because if we are going to be 'in' then we also need to be in a position to change or effect things. As a Leaver I would be furious. This is not Brexit it is the worst of all worlds. It will fall in HoC, but then we are in deep do-do with little time to clean up.

[Suff]

As a Remainer I am not happy because if we are going to be 'in' then we also need to be in a position to change or effect things. As a Leaver I would be furious. This is not Brexit it is the worst of all worlds. It will fall in HoC, but then we are in deep do-do with little time to clean up.

There was never going to be any time to do a clean up because the EU doesn't want that time. They want everyone sitting on the landmine with a timed trigger which can only be defused with a deal of their making.

The EU has underestimated the UK often enough. I wonder if they have underestimated us again?

No matter what happens the treaties of the EU will no longer apply. The fact that we will have replaced 500 pages of internal EU treaties with 600 pages of EU UK treaty is fairly trivial. Because it will be a treaty between the UK and the EU, not a treaty under which we have ceded the right of sovereignty.

For Brexit that is all that is needed to meet the grade. Anything else is for future negotiation.

In the harshest possible scenario, the UK walks away at the end of 2020 with no deal and a fully intact UK which is not subservient to EU rules. The worst possible scenario is that our elected reprobates vote to continue the situation as it is today.

I'm not overly mad about this "deal". What it does, for me, is to get us out of the EU without any further games. The rest can be dealt with later. But the EU will be dealing with a key, independent, member of NATO, the WTO and the UN. Not a subservient "member state" of the EU.

As a leaver, if this is the short term price of severance, I'd pay it. The DUP will bring the government down post Brexit if they don't start talking a lot more sense by then and that's kind of OK with me because we'll already be out.