Workingman wrote:At one point in your diatribe the UK did not need a deal (various threads), now we have this:The UK needs a Free trade deal as an External country with access to the EU for trade. Not as in the access we have today but as in the other Trade Agreements they have written with other External countries.
At last it sinks in. That is what the EU has been telling the UK since the day of stupidity: the Referendum. Totally consistent.
No, if you read the comments I have linked into my post, at least two ago, you will see that the EU has been at extreme pains to tell the UK it can't have a trade deal as if the UK were "inside" the EU without taking all the baggage which goes with the EU.
INSIDE, not outside. In fact they have reiterated, again and ad nauseam, that we can't have "access" to their market without taking all the baggage of the EU.
I have been shouting this from the rooftops. We do not want what they want and the UK press should be calling them on it.
The EU wants to define this on their terms. It is the EU who wants access to the UK markets as if the UK were INSIDE the EU. The UK wants access to the EU markets as if the UK was already OUTSIDE the EU.
Every time the UK says this the EU responds with "you can't have INSIDE access".
It's time for us to tell them to go shove it and when they start listening to what WE, the UK, want and start talking our language, then we'll start listening to them.
There is no Karma here. What the UK wants the EU does not. The EU conflates the terms every time because it is they, the EU, who wants INSIDE access to the UK markets. They think that conflating this all the time will confuse everyone and they will get what they want. Apparently, with the remoaner press, they are succeeding.
The only thing which would be Karma for the Leavers, in my mind, is that the Remoaners and the EU win in the end and the UK gets tied into a shoddy and expensive deal with the EU, that they can't get out of for a decade, then, after that decade, gets dumped like used toilet paper.
Anything less than that, such as just breaking clean from the EU and forcing everyone to scramble to mend fences, patch up a working agreement and rescue their own citizens (and having to fix it for the UK citizens at the same time), works for me.
It is long past time we said. "We are leaving, get over it. When you have got over it, come to the table and we'll discuss it like adults".
