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Triggers memories of books I have read which discuss how you take over a society or a country who have lost the will to keep to it's own values.

This page of the book on Marx's blueprint pretty much shows what Corbyn and Momentum are up to.

However when searching through google for Communist Blueprint I came across this US article about the subject. And that rang a bell too. If we look at 9/11 and the actions taken after it and also the global financial crisis and the actions taken after that. Our government has more control over our movements and, importantly, our money, than ever before. Ditto the Arab Spring and the incredible rise of IS without any real opposition.

Looking at the actions of the EU and Merkel specifically (right now) and I’m even more convinced that the democracies have raided the communist “tips and tricks” locker.

Even 10 years ago I would have said that the UK was too savvy to go down to the type of tactics being used by Corbyn and Momentum. Today I am not so sure. Government take-overs happen when the people believe that they don't need to use their vote to control the government. The fact that so many people are switched off about politics and so few people vote; is a perfect breeding ground for a movement like Momentum.

I would hate for my country to wake up and realise it is a state in the total control of a bunch of maniacs. But! I think it is probably closer to that than it has ever been before. All it requires for radical changes in government and laws is apathy and disinterest in selecting a government.

Also if we look at the blueprint of the Czech communists, we might also want to look at the Islamification of our civil service, our courts and our media. Let alone subsets of our education.

I doubt that our country has lived in such turbulent political times since the absolute monarchy and the rebellions of the Lords.

Suff, I am not quite sure where you are coming from. I have had a look at Momentum's manifesto and a lot of it will appeal to quite a few of the disinterested voters and draw them to Labour. Whether it will be enough to get Labour elected is another thing.

However, when it comes to government control I am minded that we have been submitted to more control under the umbrella term "War on terror" than was previously the case. We have more CCTV surveillance than any other nation; more speed cameras; more Internet snooping, another proposed 'snooper's charter', and on it goes. This has all been done under the Conservatives. We also have secret TTIP negotiations being carried out, Common Purpose and the Bilderberg group's influence.

We appear to be caught between Hell and high-water. Who, exactly, can we vote for with confidence that the resulting government will work for us?

Where I'm coming from is that Momentum is playing right out of the Communist Insurgent takeover handbook and the people of the UK are not so politically savvy as they used to be. Mainly because they have been told that they're in good hands so why bother....

The other thread is that those same handbook entries have been used by the Democratic countries to manipulate their people.

Pretty much the devil and the deep blue sea. I'd choose Farage before that...

Suff wrote:Where I'm coming from is that Momentum is playing right out of the Communist Insurgent takeover handbook and the people of the UK are not so politically savvy as they used to be. Mainly because they have been told that they're in good hands so why bother....

The other thread is that those same handbook entries have been used by the Democratic countries to manipulate their people.

Pretty much the devil and the deep blue sea. I'd choose Farage before that...

Farage is getting my vote Suff, Frank mentioned "Common Purpose", I was amazed to find the number in top positions politicians, Police etc who have been on their courses and are converted to this supposed charitable organisation that as far as I am aware is subsidised by government.

I’m reading the news with interest today. It seems that whilst the general populace may not be that bothered with Corbynitis, the Labour MP’s are looking to their own asses and are ripping their new top team a new one for both the message and the delivery.

I’m thinking risk here.

What is the bigger risk for me? Cameron and the Tories get another 20 years in power and we have to control them to protect the less fortunate in society.

Corbyn gets into power, strips our rights, tries to create a pseudo police state, which we are on the cusp of anyway. Removes our power in the world, turns us into a banana republic and a laughing stock on the world stage.

There is another interesting point that nobody seems to want to talk about. The 5 permanent members of the UN security council are the 5 nuclear powers in the world. Should we bin trident I would not expect the challenge to our seat to take long to appear….

The problem, as I see it, with Corbyn; is that he is neither Stupid nor Genuine. This is an incredibly dangerous skillset for someone on the far left of politics. Given the Tory swerve to the centre ground, my risk of 20 more years of the Tories is way, way, way, lower than the risk of this calculating and ruthless leader at the head of a Labour government.

Add to that the incalculable damage the SNP could do in coalition with Corbyn and the risk is magnified 10 times.

Although, on the plus side, the English backlash might be to throw Scotland out of the Union. Which would be a big plus for me, but I’m not that much of a gambler….