Vocal Voices

Some dipstick put up a petition for a new EU referendum and over 1 million people have signed it. The call is for a 75% turnout threshold and for for 60.01% of voters be needed for an issue to be carried.

I am not against the percentage calls, but we had the vote, we cannot now modify it retrospectively because some of us do not like the result, we are not Scots.

The other silly petition is for London to secede from the UK and join the EU as a city state.

Now, it is not ordinary Londoners calling for this, it is the City boys and the bankers etc..

Well, good news chaps, we are all for it. The City of London is but a pimple on the UK elephant's bum. We will bung up the Zoll/Duane booths tomorrow and off you go. Good luck with the electricity, water, sewage, food and clothes.

I saw.

When it reaches 18 million signatures the MPs can have another referendum.....

Workingman wrote:I am not against the percentage calls, but we had the vote, we cannot now modify it retrospectively because some of us do not like the result.

It is like having a game of football and then trying to change the rules afterwards to alter the result.

cromwell wrote:It is like having a game of football and then trying to change the rules afterwards to alter the result.

Politics over democracy. Very EU.

Everyone over the age of 18 got the vote. The older generation seems to be getting a lot of criticism for voting out. Let us not forgot that it was our generation that voted for a trade agreement with five other countries, and we now find ourselves 1 of 28 and our sovereignty gradually chipped away by faceless bureaucrats. The young should should go down on their knees and thank us.

Let us see whether other countries are dissatisfied enough to do the same. Mrs Merkel thinks there might be.

If any more do go it will be those without the Euro. Also this vote has now derailed the timetable to the Euro. The wait and see attitude could take 3 decades to sort out.

I see that the New Referendum appeal has received more than 2.5m signatures.

There is a huge whiff of sour grapes but ...

However, there is talk around Westminster- in the wake of a plunging currency and falling share prices - of whether any deal on Brexit negotiated with the EU should then be put to a referendum further down the line.

That's a bit bloody rich of the Westminster bubblers. There have been 'substantial changes' in the way things work, but Scotland cannot have another referendum. But it now seems that 'substantial changes' with the EU could trigger another for the UK.

I voted to Remain and lost. I can live with it. It was democratic and open. I absolutely hate all this two-faced bitching and moaning.

Now it is Nicola's turn.

Her latest mumbling is that Scotland could veto Brexit. Yeah, right.

Somebody needs to tell Nicola, in no uncertain terms, that the Scottish Parliament in not permanent. The motion failed in 2014 and the Scotland Act of 1998 can be repealed by the UK government - at any time. Playing Billy Sugars over Brexit would be a damned fine reason for the UK to put Nicola and the SNP back in the box. Go for it, girl.

Life just keeps on giving.

It turns out the petition was started by a Leaver, Oliver Healey, over a month ago when he thought his side might lose. Like Mr Farage he wanted a close result (52% to 48%) to trigger a new referendum under 'his' rules. He is now "furious" that his petition has been "hijacked" by Remainers even though nobody knows the views of the signatories.

The man is so duplicitous he is probaly in line for a Knighthood.

Workingman wrote:Now it is Nicola's turn.

Her latest mumbling is that Scotland could veto Brexit. Yeah, right.

Somebody needs to tell Nicola, in no uncertain terms, that the Scottish Parliament in not permanent. The motion failed in 2014 and the Scotland Act of 1998 can be repealed by the UK government - at any time. Playing Billy Sugars over Brexit would be a damned fine reason for the UK to put Nicola and the SNP back in the box. Go for it, girl.

I'm more than likely wrong on this(no surprise there) but didn't the Scotland Act 2016 make the Scottish Parliament permanent?

This is the bit I'm referring to;

Permanence of the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government

In the Scotland Act 1998 after Part 2 (the Scottish Administration) insert—
“PART 2A
Permanence of the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government

63APermanence of the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government

(1)The Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government are a permanent part of the United Kingdom’s constitutional arrangements.

(2)The purpose of this section is, with due regard to the other provisions of this Act, to signify the commitment of the Parliament and Government of the United Kingdom to the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

(3)In view of that commitment it is declared that the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government are not to be abolished except on the basis of a decision of the people of Scotland voting in a referendum.”