Race or religion?

[Workingman]

A report by the Council of Europe, which is nothing to do with the EU before anyone jumps on that bandwagon, says that the rise in racist attacks in the UK is down to politicians and newspapers [and the media].

Sherlock must have been lead researcher.

Yes, there has been a rise in racist attacks. Is it phenomenal rise? No it is not. Have we got riots in the streets? No we have not. What form do the attacks take? The vast majority are verbal and in the written form on social media. Do we have a problem? Of course we do, and for the whole of my life we have been attempting to mitigate differences between the races in the UK. We have not always succeeded, but we have not given up. So we are still active in tackling racism.

What this silly report does, and why it should be in the bin, is it conflates race with religion. One minute it is banging on about racial attacks and the next it is saying that they are down to anti-Semitism and Islamaphobia. Well the last time I looked Judaism and Islam were not races, but they are religions made up from people of different races.

My suspicion is that there is an agenda behind this report. That agenda is for us all, throughout Europe, to be sympathetic to, and accept the practises of, Islam. Could that possibly be because of the sudden influx of Moslems into Europe? It is using the disgrace that is racism as a tool to sway our thinking on Islam. Sorry chaps, but it is not working on me.

I have no problem with many individual Moslems. I know a few, have worked with many and have lived in Moslem lands. I do, however, have a problem with Islam, and that will never change.

I notice the report says nothing about 7/7, Madrid, Paris, Nice, or many other attacks, but if it did would they be classed as racist, Christianophobic, bog-standard terrorism, or would it come up with some new term to deflect 'ownership' from the 'religion of peace'? I know what I think.

[Suff]

Ah and let us not forget that "hate crime" is now something so difficult to define that they are having to take police officers and specially train them to recognise "hate crime" so that they can charge the "offenders".

So, if we're having a banter with our friends of "other race" and someone standing by decides to take offense at the words said, even if they are not offensive to the person to whom they were said, then the person who uttered the words can be guilty of "Race Hatred" because the third party was offended....

Yeah, right. So I get charged because I happened to be in the vicinity of a "professionally offended" whilst having fun with a friend? All that will do is ensure that I can't treat my friends of other race the same as I do friends of my own race. Nice to know they are doing SUCH a good job of integration there!

[Workingman]

I see Amber Rudd is saying that we need to do things to "change the tide" of public opinion on immigration.

She now proposes curbs on foreign workers and students, measures to stop companies "getting away" with not training British workers, tougher entry rules for students on "low-quality courses", and tougher recruitment tests. She is also to give councils £140m to address the pressures from migration and moves to deport EU criminals for "minor crimes" and a tougher crackdown on illegal immigration with new powers to punish landlords, employers and banks that facilitate it.

At least she is admitting that past policies have not worked and have created the tensions within society. I hope she can pull it off and that her words are not 'sound bites' for the media.

[cromwell]

It's really very simple. Did the British people of the 1940's and 50's want mass immigration? No. Did they get it? Yes.

When politicians go against the public will on such an important matter, it causes long term ill-will, mistrust and cynicism.

[Workingman]

It's really very simple. Did the British people of the 1940's and 50's want mass immigration? No. Did they get it? Yes.

When politicians go against the public will on such an important matter, it causes long term ill-will, mistrust and cynicism.

Very true, and also true fore Europe as well, especially with the modern influx.

However, what the disgraceful report from the Council of Europe is trying to do is mix race with religion and calling a lack of respect for some religions (one religion) as racism.

[Suff]

However, what the disgraceful report from the Council of Europe is trying to do is mix race with religion and calling a lack of respect for some religions (one religion) as racism.

Yeah well they might want to highlight that religion's lack of respect for, well everything else actually, as another form of Racism.... Oops, sorry, forgot, it's only indigenous Brits who can be racist!

[AliasAggers]

Did the British people of the 1940's and 50's want mass immigration? No. Did they get it? Yes.
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And was there a Referendum on it? No. There should have been but there wasn't.
That is what happens if you live in a democracy and leave decision-making to elected representatives.

But it's too late now to do anything about it.
In time, when the older generation has departed, it will be accepted as the norm, no doubt.