Well, well, well, talk about a change of Brexit heart!

[Workingman]

A poll carried out by ComRes and reported by Reuters shows how fickle we are.

Do you remember the good old days when immigration was top of the agenda for most people? It was so important it gave rise to UKIP, which went on to ride the immigration wave and become the third most popular party, by votes, in England. It also played an enormous role in the Leave campaign's propaganda. You know the stuff; take back control of our borders, reduce net migration to xxx, weed out illegals and deport them.

How things have changed now that the result is in. Suddenly it is the economy, something Leave barely touched on, and the UK getting a fair deal (?) and as much use of the single market as possible. Immigration which was once No1 priority for 80%+ of the population is now only No1 for half that.

It all begs the question: What sort of Brexit will we get and accept? It certainly will not be the one 51.9% thought they were voting for. It will also definitely not be what 48.1% of us were hoping to avoid.

The other day I predicted an EU/Brexit 'lite' hybrid and as time passes that is looking more likely - the worst of both worlds.

[Suff]

Of course it's not #1 priority. Now Immigration from the EU is seen as a done deal. The EU is saying no free access to the market without free flow of people and the UK is saying no free flow of people. It's a done deal and not the one we should be focusing on.

So the next most important item on the agenda is the economy. It is imperative that in the hard Brexit scenario (the only one which will really work for the UK), we need to make sure that our economy is supported and encouraged to grow away from the EU.

This poll means the people are sensible. Not fickle.

[Workingman]

How on earth can immigration be a 'done deal'? A50 has not yet been triggered and 'allegedly' there are no secret negotiations being done. So, what is this 'done deal'? Where has it been published and how does it fit with what Leavers voted for?

A more likely tale is that people have seen the way the economy is going and ditched their long-held and fervent beliefs about immigrants. If the economy gets hit, they get hit, and they do not want that. Tough. It is a bit late to change your mind after the event.

The ballot paper was quite clear: Remain or Leave. It did not say Remain, but lose some bits; or Leave, but keep the bits we like. The Electoral Commission chose the words very carefully so that people would not be confused.

The result, for me, means a clean break, or in today's parlance 'Hard Brexit', and I was a Remainer. I am with the EU on this. The UK should get no cherry picking options and I hope the EU sticks to its guns. If it hurts both sides that is unfortunate, but we Brits voted for a clean break - didn't we?

[cromwell]

I voted to leave the EU because it is an organisation that sees nothing wrong in overthrowing democratically elected European governments. Namely Italy and Greece.

People will now be more worried about the economy because of the drop in value of the pound, but more especially because the TV is relentless in putting out doom laden propaganda. It's every day and it's relentless.

[Workingman]

Cromwell, I am absolutely certain the you and Suff and Meds and may millions of others voted because of what you stated. However, I am also certain that many millions of other Leave voters had immigration in mind and that it also drove the way they voted. It was, after all, the focus of Leave's campaign.

As things stand it does not look as though any of you will be getting what you thought you were voting for and, as a Remainer, that really pi55es me off, as it should all Leave voters. I am worried that we are heading for a mish-mash deal where we are 'in' for some things and 'out' for others, and that would be a travesty. It is not what either side voted for.

The economy is another matter. Its woes are not so much as a direct result of Brexit, but the way it is being handled, and for that Cameron has to take some blame. The result of the referendum is not legally binding and could still be overturned - that was wrong. There should also have been a strict timetable for events following the result so that all parties would be ready to go. It is not as if the referendum suddenly crept up on us, there was plenty of time to prepare and get the initial paperwork sorted out. I am not saying that the media is not meddling and doing more damage than is necessary, but TPTB are giving them plenty of ammo to play with.

[medsec222]

I think for many low paid workers immigration and the economy are intertwined. Those at the bottom end of the wage scale are the ones who felt the impact of migration, not so much as 'taking our jobs' as has been widely publicised, but more a case of schools, housing, doctors appointments etc, as well as a general tendency to keep wages at the lower end of the scale down. Hence the swing from traditional labour voters. Government and MPs will not be forgiven if they try to foist something on the electorate which has not been voted for. Undoubtedly they will have a good try. Afterall, what do the voters know about anything, simpletons that we are !

[AliasAggers]

Government and MPs will not be forgiven if they try to foist something on the electorate which has not been voted for.

And that could well be what will happen, Medsec, if The P.M. doesn't stick to the promises she has made.
We'll just have to wait and see, and keep our fingers crossed.

[Suff]

Last year I was talking about paying the EU off to access the market. Pay them what we pay today but they can take their "Directives" and stuff them where the sun don't shine.

Seems that this view is being considered now. Interesting.

No matter how it goes it seems I get what I want. I'm not disappointed at all. Personally, I wanted out of the EU controls over our government. That is going to happen now. What happens beyond that is the price you have to pay to get that control back. Brexit lite? Hard Brexit? A complete melange of both? I don't care.

As time goes on the UK will drift further and further from the EU. That is the point I want and I really don't care how they achieve it.

What all those millions of others thought I don't know and I'm not too bothered really either. Because they won't get a vote till 2 years after we are out and once that is a done deal the apathy which kept us IN the EU all those years will keep us out of it. Possibly forever.

That, for me, is the whole goal.

[Workingman]

I understand what you are saying, Suff, but none of that was on the ballot paper. There was no option to Leave the bits we don't like and keep the rest. The question was plain and simple: Remain or Leave.

Most people voted to Leave and that is what should be delivered and in full.

If I was a philanthropic billionaire I would be looking at legal ways of forcing the government to deliver on the question that was asked and passed. If that was not an option I would spend a lot of time and money lobbying EU states to veto any UK cherry picking scenarios.

I look at comments in many different places and I know that many Leave voters feel the same as I do and they are not prepared to be shafted by politicians and the negotiation process.

[Suff]

The only parts of political relationships between nations which are totally black and white are the bad bits. Rome, the Vandals, Hannibal, the Spanish Inquisition, Nazi control, Stalin's communism, Mau's communism.

We should aspire to something a tad less in your face.

The ballot paper said "leave". Everyone who can read, reason, hear and understand should have recognised the "leave" meant two years of negotiations with the EU (maximum), to come to an agreement as to how the UK would leave.

Other examples, in history, of black and white are:

The American war of independence
The Balkans breakup of Yugoslavia and the Balkans wars

Hopefully the people are just a little more sensible and pragmatic than that.

Perhaps that is a vain hope????