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If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby Workingman » 24 Oct 2016, 10:27

That is Mrs May's message to Scotland, Wales and NI. The leaders are all going to sit round and talk things out, that's the plan.

The media is explaining this away thus: Scotland and NI voted to remain and want free movement and access to the single market. Wales voted to leave but want the same rights. England voted to leave and want's, err, something. We will not know what England wants because it is not represented. May has taken it upon herself to decide for us.

So, May has put herself in the position of having to negotiate on four fronts instead of one, but she needn't have to. The referendum was not parochial, it was UK-wide and omov. Just because the numbers in some area went one way does not give those areas any extra leverage, or should not. London voted one way, should it get a seat? Yorkshire went its way, should it get a seat? The West Country?

May is head of Parliament, the umbrella UK legislature. The referendum was for the UK. She should get on with doing things for the UK. With all this fudge it is beginning to look as though she does not have a plan, and that is a dangerous position to be in. It also looks likely that those who believed in Brexit, and voted for it, are going to end up with nothing like they thought they were voting for.

The Institute for Constitution warns the UK faces a "full-blown constitutional crisis" unless all nations of the UK agree on "core planks" of the government's approach to Brexit.

Core planks, we haven't even got twigs!
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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby TheOstrich » 24 Oct 2016, 12:53

It's up to Mrs. May to step up to the plate and deliver. Scotland can input, by all means, but not at the expense of achieving hard Brexit. If we don't get hard Brexit, there will be serious civil unrest in this country. Let the Walloons be put on notice!

Waitrose are offering tins of Grant's Haggis down here at a knock-down price of £1; I've stocked up, so if Nicola wants a second referendum, absolutely fine by me. :mrgreen:
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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby Rodo » 24 Oct 2016, 15:09

Yes but, have you stocked up on whisky and shortbread?
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Postby victor » 24 Oct 2016, 15:18

May was'nt in favour of it anyway was she?. Those that were never really thought they would win so did'nt have a plan A/B or even Z

So it will be another fudge up
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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby Suff » 24 Oct 2016, 17:08

Even if I had a plan I wouldn't tell the press, the parliament or the EU until after I triggered A50. Not a chance.

Because the second they reveal the plan everyone who does not want Brexit is going to have a field day with it.

The time to reveal the plan is 30 seconds after A50 is triggered. When everyone knows there is no going back and there is no way that they can affect the end result of the UK leaving the EU.

THAT is the time to reveal the plan and May has been very clear that is what she intends to do. The fact that the press, politicians, EU, other European governments and even the people of the UK are not listening is not her fault.

More listening and less talking is indicated. Not that it will happen. I'm ignoring it all. The £ is stable again and will remain so. The next MPC meeting is soon and the news is not going to sound like QE or lowering rates. Which will also bolster the £ some more.

Here's some other news for us to chew on... American Banks moving back to the US

The U.S. banks, overall, now expect the EU to simply disintegrate. Brussels is not about to surrender its dream and is clinging to life as it slowly dies.


The Bank of Finland's view on EU growth in 2017/18

German minister calls the ECB liars on growth

And Wallonia plays the "empty chair" with the EU and does not turn up for talks.

This is what we're leaving. Explain to me, some more, the reasons or joining. Because ifa there are no good reasons for joining, then the only real reason for not leaving is fear of the unknown.

At least 51% of the people of Britain don't live in "not so"Great Britain.
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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby AliasAggers » 24 Oct 2016, 20:30

Suff wrote:
At least 51% of the people of Britain don't live in "not so" Great Britain.


What does that mean? I don't understand.
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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby Suff » 24 Oct 2016, 22:11

They voted to leave and experience Britain as a world power great in many things. Rather than be one of 28 bickering losers, or whom most of the other 27 try to do the UK down at every turn, mainly through outright jealously...

The other 49%? Most of them think we're a little nobody who can't stand on our own. Or don't care if we're browbeaten by a bunch of small time losers so long as things limp along, pretty much the same as before.

They will learn.

They will learn.

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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby AliasAggers » 25 Oct 2016, 08:42

I see, Suff.

And I agree.
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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby Workingman » 25 Oct 2016, 09:39

A touch generalised, Suff, and rather unfair. I do not need to imagine the reception I would have got if I said that the 52% were fools who voted for a populist idea with no knowledge of the end game.

They will learn.

Funny things numbers.

We held a referendum with a turnout of 72.2% and 27.8% abstained, as is their constitutional right. Of those left; when it came to remain some 34.73% said that is what they wanted us to do, however 37.47% decided they wanted us to leave.

So that translates to 51.9% wanting to leave and 48.1% to remain, right? These are the numbers the media gives us.

No! The truth is that just over one third wanted to leave, a similar just over one third wanted to remain. The real difference between the two was only 2.74% of the total population. Not far off one third did not care, could not make up their minds or, and this is likely, thought that their side was going to win anyway so couldn't be bothered.
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Re: If we all hold hands things will be fine.

Postby Suff » 25 Oct 2016, 13:48

Yeah I know it was generalised and nothing in this debate is fair. But point taken.

I don't count the total population. If they can't be bothered to vote they are passengers with no say and so it's 51.9% of those who cared to vote. I will not ever give the 1/3 picture because the 1/3 who didn't vote don't count.

If you want to determine your future and direct the way the country is going you have a vote. Don't vote and you do what >50% of the voters say.

That, for better or worse, is democracy.

However, as the EU bludgeons itself to death in a fit of pique, I will stand on as an interested 3rd party.
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