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For ferck’s sake, now we’ve got Labour Remoaners claiming Russian hackers tipped the referendum result.

More likely the corrupt Labour councils, who back remain, thought it was in the bag and so didn’t prepare with pre stuffed ballot boxes. So now they’re feeling aggrieved…..

Sadly this idiot’s seat voted remain by a 10% margin. However I wonder how many of that 45% leave were Labour voters? I would love to know.

No, they won't give it up. They (Remoaners) have invested heavily in stopping Brexit by the back door. Some of them will keep at it and at it and at it until A50 is triggered and we get under way. Even then they will still try delaying tactics no matter how much they hurt the UK in the process of Brexit.

I am as sick to death of it as I would have been if Remain won and Leavers tried the same tactics.

Workingman wrote:I am as sick to death of it as I would have been if Remain won and Leavers tried the same tactics.

You and I would have been in the same boat. Had we voted to remain I'd have simply said "hell mend you" and got on with it. I.e. carried on with what I was doing.

It is truly sickening.

It is bad. If I had been in the HoC and heard this twit pontificating about the Russians hacking the referendum, I would have burst out laughing. What an idiot.

There has been no proof offered that the Russians actually hacked anything. Julian Assange and others have said that it was a Democratic party insider who leaked Clinton's emails to wikileaks.

And they talk about the internet spreading "fake news"! No one will lie to you like your own politicians, it seems to me.

The Remoaners who refuse to accept the result of the referendum - what planet are they on? They seem to think that it is quite OK for them to ignore the democratic result, to undermine it and try to overturn it.

But they are then assuming that everyone will settle down and accept their overturning of the result.

Well, they won't. They don't accept the result? Fine, then if they overturn it I won't accept that.

Where is this going to end, with people not accepting any result that they don't like?

Cromwell, I voted Remain, but I am not a Remoaner. These people sicken me.

However, this tragedy is not only of their making and it could lead to changes in future referendums along the lines of those of the Leave voter, William Oliver Healey, who set up a petition saying:

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

He was worried that Leave might lose by a small margin and so wanted a second referendum - over 3 million signed up.

I have read suggestions that a referendum meeting some form of minimum turnout and a 60:40 split would automatically become binding, but if that same referendum fell short of such rules it would only be advisory, as was the EU referendum.

Unfortunately Cameron and his cronies were not bright enough nor brave enough, or both, to make the referendum binding and then to trigger A50 immediately. Had that happened we would not be in this mess of uncertainty.

I'm not sure that it was brave enough or bright enough. They simply did not believe that they would lose and certainly not by such a large margin on such a large turnout.

Nobody did. Had the US election been a year earlier, we might have found a slightly different approach.

Everybody from the pollsters to the EU ministers who lied their collective backsides off, about the influence of the UK in the world, thought they'd "done the job" and there was nothing more to worry about.

This is one of those historical "whoops" moments when the little man came back and instead of nibbling at the ankles of his betters, rose up and bit his gonads off....

OK it might have been for all the wrong reasons and all on a picture of the world which was skewed and warped. But I do contend that so was the other side and that, even with hard brexit, those who voted to get out will not be that unsatisfied with the result.

I would say the largest dissatisfaction would happen in a "soft bexit" mewling capitulation of our elite, dragging us back into the morass we had the courage to step out of.

That, I think, will create the largest dissatisfaction of all and, I believe, Labour will pay the most political penalty for it.

I saw the Gruniaad trying to spin the latest by election in North Kesteven by picking interviews with people who were supportive of Labour and not supportive of Conservatives. 2nd to 4th.... Yep, spin that! This is where I was born, where I went to school and to college, the first time. If you had told me, 30 years ago, that Labour would come 4th anywhere in Lincolnshire, I'd have laughed at the thought.

UKIP second? No brainer. Most of Lincolnshire was a 75/25 Leave/Remain. But Labour was really mauled. It would have been interesting to see how bad it would have been if it had not been at general election turnout levels. Labour only just fended off the highest independent by 500 votes.

If these vulnerable Labour MP's don't start standing up and calling their Remoaner colleagues for idiots, they're going to get hurt. Sadly their colleagues, who are causing this damage, will probably be safe.

Much as I'd like to see northern Labour MP's replaced with Tory EUskeptics, there is a balance to maintain and the Tories have proven that they can't be trusted with a large majority any more than Blair could. UKIP, maybe, but, still, it doesn't give a good solid opposition.

Ah well. We can assume that there will be some political asswhacking in the months and years to come as by elections intrude.

Interesting point to take away. Most parties, in power, tend to lose by elections all the way up to general elections. Zak Goldsmith? Expected. North Hykeham and Sleaford +0.2% no so much so.

I read comments in the media and from what I read I am convinced that had they lost the Leave side would now be clamouring for a 2nd referendum due to the close call a 52:48% Remain win would have been.

In fact Leave would keep pressing for another referendum every time they lost regardless of the margin of the result.

Some members of both sides have become so entrenched that their views make them both, Remain and Leave, rather easy to dislike.

Workingman wrote:Some members of both sides have become so entrenched that their views make them both, Remain and Leave, rather easy to dislike.

No argument there. The problem is that there is no respect any more. Just endless self interest without a care in the world for anyone else.

Not that this is a big surprise. Try entering "EU unenlightened self interest" into google....

Our people are just following a strong example they have been taught by experience.

The examples I am speaking of have nothing whatsoever to do with the EU: not a thing. They do have everything to do with the modern world, though, where nobody debates any more. They are, at the same time, patronising and intolerant. People hurl epithets and replay the same message ad nauseam - last man standing wins, even if his message is a load of cods'.

The subject to hand is neither here nor there, either, so long as their side wins. If I had a penny for every sentence I have seen ending in "FACT!" or "END OF." I would be buying up all Apple's shares. These "FACTS" are often no more than opinion or made up, and "END OF." usually ushers in more of the same.

I see it all the time in climate comments, Strictly v X-Factor, F1, everywhere. They all show the level to which the country has sunk.

Workingman wrote:They are, at the same time, patronising and intolerant. People hurl epithets and replay the same message ad nauseam - last man standing wins, even if his message is a load of cods'.

This is one of the key things I associate with the EU...