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Details apparently include nationalising railways, bus firms, the Royal Mail and renewing the Trident weapons system, but still aiming for a nuclear free world. There is also a promise to completely scrap university tuition fees.

Some insider obviously thinks this will either damage Labour or maybe enhance its chances.

They missed the bit where they were going to pay for it with a new higher rate tax on the 80k to to 150k and over crowd.

That and other fairy stories to a news vendor near you...

We'll renew Trident but move to a Nuclear free state? Yep I swallowed that whole..

There is no doubt in my mind that it was done to damage them..

Don't have a problem with anything in that manifesto. Bring it on!

Kaz wrote:Don't have a problem with anything in that manifesto. Bring it on!

Hear, Hear. - Just what I wanted to hear.

Don't have a problem with anything in that manifesto. Bring it on!

Actually neither do I, by and large. But I couldn't vote for Corbyn or Labour; too many down sides, trade unions pulling the strings being just one.

Details apparently include nationalising railways, bus firms, the Royal Mail and renewing the Trident weapons system, but still aiming for a nuclear free world.

They should add nationalisation of all public utilities, ideally, and preferably without compensation to the foreign firms running them. Maggie's biggest blunder ....

They are trying to get the "old" Labour vote back, I see! I don't have a problem with the renationalisation either, but the nuclear stuff is contradictory.
Trouble is, no one trusts Labour on the economy or immigration; and that will probably sink them.

Plus the very small fact that Corbyn is a wimp on UK defence, a unilateral disarmist and prone to telling whatever story the party wants him to say, unconvincingly, no matter what he really believes.

As for nationalisation. If you do enough digging and enough reading and enough poking about, you will find a thread that leads to the 26% inflation, IMF loans, union idiocy and the entire mess that led to Thatcher in the first place.

As I said on the other thread. If they want to buy up a large chunk of the Utilities and then leave them open to free market investment whilst being the single biggest vote holder, I'd go with that.

Nationalisation without compensation is theft. What they would be stealing is peoples pensions because it's the big pension funds which invest in these utilities. There is some fairy story which goes around that one or two people make billions out of the dividend payouts of these utilities. In fact the largest beneficiaries are the pension funds because they have the most money to invest (£trillions).

There was this story about inwards investment falling through the floor and the UK winding up on the rocks because of Brexit. No Brexit did not do that. But Nationalised theft would do it instantly.

So I read what Corbyn puts out that people lap up and think (yep, go for it), because I don't have a pension and I'm not tied to working in the UK.

Fortunately, or not, the people of the UK are mostly aware of the charade being put about by "traditional" Labour. In some ways I'd love to see them do it. Nothing could destroy them faster. Honestly, EU aside, I'd rather deal with the Lib Dems than Labour and I think they are a bunch of idiots but at least they are, generally, well meaning idiots.

I shall be avoiding all the in-depth analyses from 'experts' and the media. Most of it is right wing, though not always in support of the Tories.

The more interesting aspect for me will be the comments from ordinary voters where I expect to find quite a few things in the 'manifesto', though not all of them, getting good support. Let's face it, most of them know that Corbyn will never be PM so his personal opinions count for very little as this particular election goes.

What I’m looking for is the Guardian review. The Blairite style Labour support is stronger than the traditional Labour support so I’d like to see what they think of the manifesto. That, for me, will have a much larger impact on this election than what the right wingers say.

I haven’t read any of the manifesto, it’s only going to be a chunk of sound bytes. At least they have learned their lesson from Foot and his “honest” Longest suicide note in the history of politics.

BTW, foot’s manifesto was “traditional Labour” and was comprehensively rejected by the people. After the Blair Brown years and the Thatcher years there is hardly a person under 30 who even knows why traditional Labour existed and even less care about it.

I was looking at the overall poll trackers yesterday. I’ll have a look at them again tomorrow. If Labour continues to fall, then we’ll know how well his manifesto was accepted… The worst I’ve seen in May was 49 Tory 27 Labour.

I did, however, read one article about whether we can trust the polls. One of the most surprising things which that article said was that the polls might be “understating” the size of the Tory support. For me that is not good. May does not need a 100 seat majority and it would not be overly good for the country.

[Edit]. Honest I hadn't read the Guardian article before I posted...

£250bn in borrowing for investment over the next 10 years. Sounds good. On top of the £600bn (at current rates), that we are already committed to without more austerity, that's £850bn, taking us close to 200% of GDP in national debt. Which doesn't sound quite so good. Also the fact that they didn't quite mention the £10bn a year they'd need to fund the free education and that's guaranteed to be over £1tn over the decade with uni fee inflation.

But the one thing that I _Love_ about it, is that they have committed to remaining in the single market and the customs Union. Which means, if anyone has been listening to Barnier and Juncker, remain by the back door. For me that's wonderful because all those Labour voters who voted to leave won't vote for this manifesto.