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He is a born again Christian. As such he isn't too keen on gay marriage and abortion. He was questioned about it pretty ruthlessly during the election campaign.

Which only goes to show how selective many white "progressives" are with their outrage. Gay marriage? Ask the average Indian or Pakistani what their community's attitude to gays is, and Tim Farron will come over as a complete liberal. We aren't talking about gay marriage here, we're just talking about people being gay. In those communities, it is a big no no. Parents go into denial if one of their kids is gay.

So why aren't politicians from those communities questioned about gays? Why aren't they condemned and vilified for their attitude towards gay marriage? Why aren't they given a grilling like Farron was?

Because your average white "progressive" is quite possibly the biggest hypocite on the face of the earth. They are in full on cultural cringe to every other culture but their own.

It's the reason why the grooming scandals went on so long before being exposed, why there has been a law against female genital mutilation for thirty years which has never resulted in one conviction despite 5,700 cases of FGM in the UK in 2105-16 alone, the reason why the rise of anti-semitism in the UK is so shamefully ignored by the media.

All true, but anyone who dares mention it will be branded a racist about 2 seconds later.

Double standards of the very worst sort, riding on the back of the claim that his *illiberal* views are not compatible with him being the leader of a Liberal party. Other MPs, especially those from the communities you mention, Cromwell, do not get such treatment even though their views are even more illiberal than Farron's and their parties are fully paid up members of the LGBT support network.

I don't mind stating that I am completely apposed to the LGBT ideas. and I would imagine that
the acceptance of these ideas by this country is probably one of the causations of the current
wave of terror activities. I would have more respect for the Church of England if they had been
more outspoken on this subject. Not that it's a religious matter, just a matter of common sense.
Gay marriage is just a joke, and those who legalised it deserve to be put in an asylum.

Tim Farron was personally attacked on his beliefs during the election campaign not only by repeated hounding by reporters, but also, quite savagely, by the political cartoonist Peter Brookes in the Times.

Today, in this secular country, the tenets of the Christian faith have been watered down so much that many of the traditional Biblical teachings cannot be publically defended. I am sure many of you won't see any problem in that. But what it does mean is that the age-old moral bedrocks are being eroded. We accept LGBT today, we tolerate adultery, we no longer regard theft as a crime to be investigated; tomorrow, will murder be justifiable? Euthanasia?

Many folk with Christian faith no longer feel they can even state their point of view, let alone debate it.

Secularists are more than happy to denigrate faith. Well, they'll ultimately get the society they want - but it's not a society I'll want to live in. That's for damn sure, if you don't mind me quoting Lee Child.

..... Why aren't they given a grilling like Farron was?

Yes, it would be interesting to ask that proud, self-proclaiming Islamist metro-liberal Mayor Khan exactly where he stands on LGBT rights, and how compatible that stance is with Islamic teaching. I think the phrase is: can't have your cake and eat it ....

Are we seriously comparing being gay with terrorism here? Seriously?

If that question's aimed at me, Kaz, then yes. I'm trying to comparing media attitudes.

Khan was very quick after the terrorist incidents to go on public TV and proclaim his own Islamic faith. And he indicated that the terrorists were not true followers of Islam. Fair enough. Some might say that's open to argument, but we'll put that on one side for the moment.

The point I'd make is that the mainstream traditional schools of Islam do not accept LGBT - let alone the fundamentalist wackos who throw gays off buildings. So why do we never see Khan questioned on whether he, as an avowed Islamist, supports LGBT or not - just like Farron was?

Khan brought his faith into the public arena for political purposes. However, Farron, in contrast, did his best to try to separate his own faith from politics, but the media pilloried him nevertheless. That's where I smell double standards ......

I liked Tim Farron and I know from my cousin who lives in his constituency he is a very well thought of. Like you all I thought the hounding of him for his religious beliefs was disgusting.

However there are two questions I would like to ask Tim Farron, one is if your majority had been bigger would you still have resigned and the second, and I actually feel quite angry about this, why did you resign on a day of such tragic and devastating news as the fire in Grenfell Tower. A good day to bury your own bad news maybe? Perhaps I am just being cynical but that to me was just cowardly.

miasmum wrote: However there are two questions I would like to ask Tim Farron, one is if your majority had been bigger would you still have resigned and the second, and I actually feel quite angry about this, why did you resign on a day of such tragic and devastating news as the fire in Grenfell Tower. A good day to bury your own bad news maybe? Perhaps I am just being cynical but that to me was just cowardly.

If I understand it correctly, there was a major crisis within the LibDem party that morning. Brian Paddick, the ex-police chief who I believe is gay, stated that he could not work with Farron because of Farron's views on LGBT and resigned as a LibDem party Home Affairs spokesperson. It's a moot point whether Farron then jumped or was pushed .... but I suspect Farron realised it was the end of the road and just wanted out.

However, and I fully agree with you MM, that hurried press conference in the afternoon should never have taken place in the light of the Kensington tragedy.

They've just asked the question on Question Time 'was Tim Farron treated unfairly' and so far everyone agrees.

Norman Lamb is thinking of standing

I wonder if Vince Cable will stand. I would imagine there was quite a bit of maneuvering at Liberal Party HQ before he resigned, and he probably did go before he was pushed. I think Tim Farron is entitled to his personal views as are we all, as long as they don't compromise his job as an MP. Perhaps after the ruthless questioning during the campaign he felt it just wasn't worth playing down his religious beliefs. Will it eventually become mandatory to support gay marriage before you can stand as a candidate for Parliament. This is another example of the thought police in action.