I am wondering

[Suff]

How the 10% of voters, Labour voters, who had switched their allegiance to UKIP in order to force an exit from the EU; are now feeling about voting Labour in the last election.

Simply put, the latest noise out of the Labour party is "no change on Europe until 2020 and, possibly, for an indefinite term thereafter". Regardless of their Manifesto Promise of:

Labour accepts the referendum
result and a Labour government
will put the national interest first.

Personally I don't feel at all surprised. When a dog waters your gatepost it is not vandalism, it is a dog; being a dog.

Interesting to watch though. You know like the "We did not promise to forgive all student debt".... Pinnochio.

[Workingman]

I don't think that they give any more of a stuff than do the Tories who drifted away to deny "strong and stable" Mayhen an increased majority.

Both sets muddied the waters.

Labour accepts the referendum
result and a Labour government
will put the national interest first.

This seems to refer to Labour's conversion on the road to Damascus re an interim period to avoid a Brexit "cliff edge". That would not be the same interim period agreed between Davis, Hammond, Fox and Johnson to calm the Tory cabinet, would it?

It's a bit of a bu99er this Brexmess.

[AliasAggers]

Frank, I like the word that you (I presume) have coined.

i.e. Brexmess

Most apt !!!

[Suff]

It was always going to be a Brexmess because the EU does not let a state go easily any more than the US let the lower states go.

I find it comforting that the UK is now producing thousands of pages of documents stating the way that the UK intends to exit the EU.

The EU documents on the same? Nada. Zip. The press, of course, continue to push the fallacy that the EU promoted early that they are "ready" and the UK was not.

Ding Ding for the next round where the EU attempts to get the UK to admit that it owes the EU something, whereupon the EU will step in with a totally ridiculous sum and start to argue about it.

The EU is increasingly incensed that the UK continues to insist that the EU produces a figure and justifies it before the UK will even begin to discuss the size of any liability.

Notably the EU has refused to justify it's claim in writing. This, to me, means that the EU has no claim and wants the UK to make the first move.

Good luck on that one.

Brexmess is good in my view. Note that every time the press promote the picture that the other parties, along with Tory rebels, are going to force a soft brexit, the value of the pound drops like a stone. The markets are not stupid, soft brexit is a nightmare for the UK and they know it.

Long may UK intransigence continue.

At this point it's useful to note that the Brexit Bill used to call A50 only promised a vote on a deal. No deal, no vote, Hard Brexit.

I wonder when that will percolate through the press???

[cromwell]

As I've said before, we have a British public who voted narrowly to leave. We have a British establishment of politicians and civil servants who are overwhelmingly in favour of remain.

Given that Brexit was always gong to be a mess, and Keir Starmer's latest slithering can come as no surprise. People like Starmer are absolutely determined to keep the UK in the EU. All this "Of course we respect the referendum result, BUT.." or "People didn't vote for X type of Brexit" is frankly just contemptible - and absolutely typical of our political class.

If they want to stop Brexit - and people like Starmer, Vince Cable,Clegg, Blair and many others absolutely DO want to stop it dead - then at least let them have the balls to say so straight out.