As a result of Parsons Green

[cromwell]

My police constable son in law is doing twelve hour shifts. Twelve hours. There are hardly any of them actually out there doing the job and he's one of them.
The same thing happened after the last lot of terrorist attacks in London. That time he got so physically worn out and stressed he got shingles.
All the while senior police officers, sitting behind their polished desks doing their £100,000+ jobs, tweet about how overstretched the police are. Yes indeed, but perhaps if we had a few less shiny pants top brass we might have a few more officers on the street.
As for the latest terrorist I see he is an Iraqi refugee. If I was in charge I'd load him into a cannon and see if would reach Iraq when he was fired out of it.

[TheOstrich]

Yes, it's a hopeless situation for the bobby on the beat, Crommers - I take it he's actually in the Met? They need to give the police a flippin' decent pay rise, not this 1% + 1% one off bonus or whatever it is.
Master O seems to have a knack of being on leave when these terrorist incidents occur - he wondered if he might have been called in to the Chelsea & Westminster hospital as it was pretty close to the incident and does have a burns unit, but nothing materialised.
As for the Iraqi refugee, who came in hidden on a lorry, I gather, I'd be interested to know what the procedure was - if he was slung straight out into that fostered accommodation in Sunbury-on-Thames, or if someone, somewhere actually attempted to vet him first ......
The very fact that he was caught heading back to France makes me wonder if this latest terrorist atrocity scenario was plotted well in advance. How and where was he radicalised?

[AliasAggers]

The truth is that a 'bobby on the beat' should not have to be involved in these operations.

If we had proper control of the people who enter our country, for whatever reason, then
these situations might never happen. We want more officials at sea and air ports to make
sure that people wishing to enter our country are the type of people we want here. Let's
face it, this terrorist business is almost a state of warfare, and, in my opinion, we should
treat it as such, and exterminate any persons who may be found guilty of planning, or of
carrying out such crimes.

[victor]

just hang the barsteward

[Suff]

Don't have the right to make the decision.

Yet....

My police constable son is now, finally, taking his firearms certificate. The need is critical and the numbers willing to do it are very small. He's looking for the overtime of course. But up in Scotland he's not really seeing the impact of Parsons Green.

Parsons Green is very personal to me, it's the closest tube station to the house my Father grew up in and I spent my younger life taking tubes from it.

Not a good day.

Personally I'm in the mould of the Glaswegians, who, when presented with two Islamic terrorists, on fire after having failed to bomb Glasgow airport, promptly proceeded to put the fire out by kicking the crap out of them. Possibly there were no baseball bats lying around spare..

Personally I don't fight fire with hand wringing anguish. I fight fire with fire.

[cromwell]

Yes, it's a hopeless situation for the bobby on the beat, Crommers - I take it he's actually in the Met? They need to give the police a flippin' decent pay rise, not this 1% + 1% one off bonus or whatever it is.

He's in the West Yorkshire force Os. I agree with the pay rise, but only if it is reserved for those in operational roles, not the ones sitting in offices of which there are way too many.

As for the Iraqi refugee, who came in hidden on a lorry, I gather, I'd be interested to know what the procedure was - if he was slung straight out into that fostered accommodation in Sunbury-on-Thames, or if someone, somewhere actually attempted to vet him first ......
The very fact that he was caught heading back to France makes me wonder if this latest terrorist atrocity scenario was plotted well in advance. How and where was he radicalised?

No one who comes into this country in the back of a lorry should be given asylum imo. The whole asylum / refugee scenario is a joke. Seeking asylum n the UK? This 18 year old was trying to leave the country after his bit of bombing, so he can't be in that much danger back home. Same with Mustaph Jama, a Somalian who shot a woman PC in 2005 in Bradford. Supposedly a refugee from the terrors of war-torn Somalia, as soon as the police were after him he took a plane straight back to Somalia!

The current asylum treaty was drawn up circa 1951; the world has changed a lot since then and it's time the rules on asylum did too.

[Workingman]

He's in the West Yorkshire force Os. I agree with the pay rise, but only if it is reserved for those in operational roles, not the ones sitting in offices of which there are way too many.

Same with all the services - fire, police, NHS, armed forces, and on and on - managed mostly by those who have never worked the coal face but have an 'ology'.

It is not so much the 1951 Convention that is at fault. In the UK's case it is that it is not applied in the way intended. As an island nation there is no legal need for the UK to take in any refugees, unless the came via non-stop boat or flight from a country persecuting them. The overwhelming majority have travelled through safe havens as, identified by the UNHCR, and we have no moral or legal duty to accept them.

It is a similar case with open borders, they are not at fault, per se. Canada, the USA and Australia all have open borders between their states or provinces. They are all bigger than the EU and all have free travel across state / provincial lines, but what they also have, and what the EU lacks, is secure and well patrolled external borders. Those secure borders are also backed up by stringent internal laws regarding the 'rights' of immigrants, never mind so-called 'refugees'.

[Kaz]

They've been searching a house in Stanwell, on the Heathrow border. That's where I grew up

Cromwell I feel for your son in law - the rank and file police do a great job with very little thanks, and a 12 hour shift is ridiculous xxx