Clueless??

[Suff]

In the Independent today McDonnell is given space to expound on how Parliament is going to "control" the Government and "Force" it to avoid a "no deal".

The problem I have here is that people are actually going to believe this BS. The Brexit Bill in parliament, right now and a "No Deal" with the EU at not mutually inclusive competencies.

Regardless of what the Parliament vote for, it is the UK negotiation team that will agree a deal, or no deal, with the EU. ONLY and I do mean _ONLY_ after that deal has been agreed, will Parliament get to vote on it.

As for the Brexit bill or the bill to take all the laws created in the UK by the European Communities Act and enact them in British law, rather than a single act which allows the EU to force those laws on us? Poles apart. Whilst they are relevant to each other, in terms of actually running the country and protecting voters rights, the Brexit deal has absolutely nothing to do with the Brexit Bill or rights going through parliament right now.

The very worst case scenario in this whole mess is that we exit the EU in 2019 with absolutely NO deal whatsoever and, at the same time, the EU communities act becomes extinct and a body of 2,000 laws which allow us to trade with the EU (and the rest of the world), vanish. Destroying our trade relationships at the same time as leaving us trying to patch up WTO, without the corresponding laws to back it up.

McDonnell is an opportunistic Ideologue who doesn't care how much pain he puts the UK through so long as he gets power and sway over the people of the UK.

It is time this rubbish is outed and that the perpetrators of it are punished in the light of public opinion.

If the EU and Labour have their way, the UK will exit, rudderless, with faulty engines, in the path of a hurricane. The EU to make a point and Labour to try and grab some power back. The UK stands at a point as critical to it's future as WWII. What do we see? A latter day Neville Chamberlain trying to grab power and "do it his way". Churchill? Nowhere to be seen!

[cromwell]

McDonnell is playing party politics with an issue that is too big for that.

Who are these MP's? We voted to leave, end of. It's not about what type of Brexit - that will be agreed (or not) between the EU and UK negotiating teams, surely?
"The British people did not vote for X type of Brexit". Well how many types did they want to be on the ballot paper? Ten, twenty, ninety five?

It is the duty of MP's to get behind Brexit imo, not ponce about like sulky children.

[Workingman]

Brexit and the EU withdrawal bill might not be mutually inclusive but there are those within and without of government who are prepared to use it to stop both 'no deal ' or 'hard deal' scenarios. It is not only McDonnell there are Tories and the DUP playing the game.

The Telegraph was reporting the other day that there are at least 13 amendments with support from enough Tory MPs alone for the second reading to fail. The Tory whips are having a tough time and are caught between Hell and High water in their attempts to get enough of them to change their minds.

It is a shame because the EU withdrawal Bill was / is one of the most sensible things to have happened during the Brexit mess. Most of the 'rules' concern the specification and operation of products and services, and we would have to meet them in order to trade with the EU. As we already adhere to them that is no big deal. The rest can be amended or scrapped at our leisure some time in the future, the key being 'at our leisure', so again no big deal.

[Suff]

It's not a shame it's bloody disgraceful holding a vital part of post EU legislation to ransom just to make political points.

Let us all face facts. Hard Brexit is the baseline. Everything else has to be negotiated and agreed. Fail in the negotiation or the ratification and we get the baseline: Hard Brexit.

Anyone who claims they are holding up the Great Repeal bill to avoid Hard Brexit is either a clueless idiot or is lying through their teeth.