Vocal Voices

So, after twelve hours, we have a deal.... Ministers have signed up to a plan for a free trade area for industrial and agricultural goods, based on a "common rule book". They also supported a "combined customs territory".

No Brexit, then.

The EU will obviously reject it, so we are back to the sq/rt of SFA.

When will it bloody sink in that the EU has all the aces and face cards, and we have the deuces, and it will not let us win?

We already hold the best possible EU deal of any country and yet we are prepared to throw it away for an ideology based on lies and myths.

To me the big problem is as I have said a million times, is this.
The public voted to leave the EU but the political classes do not wamt to leave, hence the mess we are in now.
It is a useful exercise insomuch as it reveals how much of a sham our democracy is, but that's it.
Theresa May may be smirking now but wait until the next election.

Workingman wrote:We already hold the best possible EU deal of any country and yet we are prepared to throw it away for an ideology based on lies and myths.

Oh, come on, Frank, you know full well that the majority of the British public voted Leave principally because they didn't want to be controlled by Brussels, and were completely p*ssed off by the mass migration of Europeans into this country.

They couldn't give a damn about Soft Brexit, Hard Brexit, Facilitated Brexit, whatever the final agreement turns out to be. Consistently, the response from the man in the street has been "I just want out".

Every time Juncker, Barnier, Merkel and Macron open their mouths, all they are doing is reinforcing the resolve of the British Leavers to get the hell out of the EU.

Lies and myths? Look at Project Fear and Obama. And Project Fear is still going on, fanned by big business, the political classes Crommers mentioned, and the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, who cannot put out a TV News Report without a backdrop of Brexit supporters waving EU flags or parading EU umbrellas.

We now need a March on London to Support Brexit.
I hope someone organises one.
I've just got me Oyster Card - I'll be on it.

Workingman wrote:
When will it bloody sink in that the EU has all the aces and face cards, and we have the deuces, and it will not let us win?

We already hold the best possible EU deal of any country and yet we are prepared to throw it away for an ideology based on lies and myths.

That's about the size of it! Brexit is like jumping off a big cliff, with no idea of what's at the bottom, just because we don't like the weather on the clifftop!

Talking of lies and myths, has that Brexit bus delivered its £350,000,000 yet?

Kaz wrote:Talking of lies and myths, has that Brexit bus delivered its £350,000,000 yet?

And has the World Ended yet, as the Project Fear Remainers keep doom-saying to us?

Anyway, don't mind me, Kaz, it's a generational thing ....

No, but then it doesn't happen until next March

I know Ossie x

Workingman wrote:We already hold the best possible EU deal of any country and yet we are prepared to throw it away for an ideology based on lies and myths.

Not really my take.

May is ready to throw it all away so she can survive the battle without losing.

So a Bad Deal is, in the end, better than no deal.

Just so we know.

I do follow your sentiment though WM. The EU will never go for what May has "arranged".