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First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 08 Jul 2018, 23:21
by TheOstrich
David Davis resigned from the Cabinet this Sunday night.

I expect the game plan will be to get those 48 signatures of no confidence in May into the Whips some time after May's meeting with the back-benchers on Tuesday.

In other news, Javid was reported as saying there will be no further sanctions against Russia after the Amesbury poisoning. Well, after Dawn Sturgess passed away yesterday, Javid better have a major rethink or follow Davis out through the Cabinet door. A Home Secretary who can't defend the people on the streets? On yer bike, buddy!

Thank goodness Croatia won that wretched semi-final on Saturday. England v Russia would have been a fiasco in the current circumstances.

It promises to be a rather interesting week ….. :mrgreen:

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 07:35
by cromwell
They will try and oust but imo they will fail. But as Theresa May's shenanigans over Brexit has appalled most rank and file Conservative members (not to mention a large chuck of the electorate) I think she will be gone before the next election. No one can believe a word she says now and I think Labour could make hay with that come the next GE. Betrayal means betrayal, as one letter writer to the Telegraph said.

She has given Labour a massive boost and it wouldn't surprise me if Corbyn won next time. Hello to Venezuelan style socialism. Better get five years worth of toilet rolls in, I suppose.

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 07:50
by medsec222
I don't think it is possible to negotiate a deal. What chance is there if the Cabinet can't agree. So will we cave in or will we walk?

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 07:56
by cromwell
It depends on the EU. May will want to cave in but she has to put a deal before Parliament, supposedly. The EU will insist on more concessions, how May will respond is pretty certain, how Parliament will respond is less so.

Eta - it now turns out that the EU have been negotiating with Ollie Robins. Who he? He is a civil servant and dedicated remainer.

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 10:32
by Suff
When Davis resigned, May's card was marked.

As I said at the outset, I was told that May would remain for Brexit but be ousted shortly after. All she has done is make that Much more certain.

This is fun. I'm beginning to enjoy it. Remainers look likely to get everything they want except for remaining in the EU. Then they will have to live it. I'm going to enjoy that too.

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 11:29
by Workingman
How anybody can get enjoyment form our current predicament is beyond me.

We are talking about the future of a country of 65 million people and what happens affects every single one of us. As things stand there is nothing for anyone to be rejoicing over.

We have a plan the government (the cabinet) does not believe in, and will probably be rejected by the EU anyway. We have lost our chief negotiator of two years at a critical time in the negotiations. And we could see a challenge to the PM, and a general election, in the not too distant future.

Where is the fun, what is there to enjoy?

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 15:23
by Workingman
Could things get even worse?

BolJo has also quite and he might not be the last. Fox next?

Will we have a cabinet come the weekend?

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 15:29
by medsec222
She seems to be holding her own in the House of Commons at the moment. I am starting to believe she is a cat with nine lives :D

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 16:12
by Kaz
Workingman wrote:How anybody can get enjoyment form our current predicament is beyond me.

We are talking about the future of a country of 65 million people and what happens affects every single one of us. As things stand there is nothing for anyone to be rejoicing over.

Where is the fun, what is there to enjoy?


Absolutely right. There is nothing funny about any of this!

Re: First move to oust May?

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2018, 07:39
by Suff
Workingman wrote:How anybody can get enjoyment form our current predicament is beyond me.


Of course it is beyond you.

If you recall, I said that staying in the EU would be the best for me. That leaving the EU would be the worst. That I was willing to pay the price of leaving the EU to benefit my country.

Those who want to Remain at Any Cost, are going to damage the UK in the short term, themselves in the short term and the prospects of the future in the short term. However they are going to make my life Much easier for a decade.

In the End, however, the UK is leaving the EU. When the Remain at Any Cost crowd have had a belly full of a decade of being on the outside licking the boots of the EU, they will then find out the reality of trying to re-join the EU.

All that had to happen, post the referendum, was that everyone got together, accept that the best default position was to tell the EU to go shove it unless they had a better deal, take a firm solid position and NOT undermine the UK position.

I have been running a rollercoaster of emotions as I have watched people try to change the decision of the public and tie the UK to the EU in any way possible. Finally I have settled on hugely amused.

It benefits ME
It screws those who want to remain.
The UK is leaving the EU and it is never going back because the conditions which would be put on the UK are such that 75% of people in the UK would not vote for it and there is no way ANY government could survive re-joining the EU without a referendum.

What's not to like? What is not to laugh about.

I and those like me, get the last laugh in the end. The UK is OUT and it will stay OUT. Eventually the governments will be forced to re-negotiate the EU trade deals, even if not for a decade.

I would only become less amused if the EU27 all voted for a full 2 year extension to the Brexit negotiations. However as I feel that the EU don't want to do that and the member states don't want to do that, I'm happy for now.

I'm also amused because I'm anticipating all those pompous, puffed up, Remainer MP's having to eat significant portions of Crow in the decades to come.

I can understand that Remainers are really unhappy right now. They made their bed. Now they can lie in it.

ALL it would have taken was for everyone to get on board and deliver the will of the people and this would have been over. Gina Miller in a gag and strightjacket would have been useful too....