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... is looming large should a new PM push for a no-deal Brexit.

Some 30 Tory MPs are said to be considering supporting it, with more than a handful of current minsters expecting the sack or refusing to work under any no-deal PM. Labour have even said that they are actually talking to Tories to get the timing right. This is new, these things are usually done behind closed doors or denied.

And MPs, from both sides, are said to be looking at ways to finally remove no-deal off the books, but with no details of how.

So, we would get a general election and possibly another referendum, but what would either of those solve?

The only definite way out of this mess is to revoke A50 with a view to going again in the future.

So 30 Tory MPs would be happy helping Jeremy Corbyn into number ten? Good luck explaining that to their constituency party.

Workingman wrote:The only definite way out of this mess is to revoke A50 with a view to going again in the future.

That's been my stance since May put her abysmal deal before Parliament and failed to get it passed. However, I think it's getting less and less likely now.

Sorry to say, I think Boris will win the leadership election, and your 30 turkeys will then vote for Christmas.

So given a general election, who would you vote for? Sir John Sawers, the former MI6 chief, had it exactly right when he told the BBC last week that there is no politician of leadership calibre in any party, and none on the horizon either.

It is a complete mess, and I am currently sourcing a pitchfork or two for possible future use.

TheOstrich wrote:

Workingman wrote:So given a general election, who would you vote for? Sir John Sawers, the former MI6 chief, had it exactly right when he told the BBC last week that there is no politician of leadership calibre in any party, and none on the horizon either.

It's one reason why MP's in the Labour party are so desperate to get rid of Corbyn. They reckon that given the chaos in the Tory party there is an opportunity to win an election, should they be able to get rid of Jezbollah.

Personally, the idea of a government led by someone like Yvette Cooper has me reaching for the brandy bottle, but doubtless the BBC and Sky would be all for it.

It does not really matter who I vote for in my constituency atm. A three-legged lesbian donkey with halitosis would get in if it wore the right rosette.

I can well see Brexit taking votes from the Cons, LDs taking votes from Lab, SNP taking votes from the ScotCons and the Greens picking up votes here and there.

We could get a grand coalition with nobody in charge... a bit like we have now.

WRT to revoking A50.

I think a lot of MPs want another referendum on the assumption that a remain vote will win. They can then use this "Will of the people" thing to revoke A50. What you will not hear from many of them is dedicated campaigning to revoke, because they do not have the balls to do so. It will all be clouded in a nebulous Remain campaign.

What we will get if remain comes out on top, say 52:48, is the normal two-faced : "Oh look, the people want to remain, we therefore have to reluctantly and against our judgement revoke A50 because "the people" have spoken".

Workingman wrote:I think a lot of MPs want another referendum on the assumption that a remain vote will win.

I agree, they don't want to do what they have been told, but they don't want to take the responsibility for that.

What they clearly do NOT understand is that even the semblance of trying to overcome the will of the people by having a second referendum, without acting on the first one, is going to bury them.

Let's be clear here. The only parties that won't be impacted by the Brexit party will be those who don't stand to win any seats in any event. Even Lib Dem 3 way marginals are at risk if the Lab/Cons vote goes Brexit.

I have voted. Now it is time to wait till a week on Monday for the result.

Suff wrote:[I have voted. Now it is time to wait till a week on Monday for the result.

Meanwhile mega millions of us are sharpening our pencils to vote for any party not lead by either of the two boneheads the tiny band of grumpy little, mainly old, zealots elect.

Roll on the GE - the real election.

Whilst I'm fully in agreement with your sentiment over the GE, WM, I don't find any of the alternatives attractive either.

It's difficult not to be pessimistic and say we're beggared whichever way we vote.

Its a pity Theresa May couldn't have managed to negotiate a satisfactory conclusion for Brexit. In my opinion she is a decent MP but she just couldn't hack it with the sharks in Brussels. Of the candidates that put themselves up for the job of PM I would have preferred Andrea Leadsom but I can understand why the thought of another woman leader straight after Theresa May might have put fellow MPs off.

Regarding the choice of PM we may shortly be facing, which is probably Boris or Jeremy, to my mind the choice is simple. I don't think Boris is up to the job, but I have worked hard all my life and am now mortgage-free. I want to pass my house directly on to my son and why shouldn't I. If Jeremy has his way it will be spending money for the Labour Party. So Boris it will have to be.

medsec222 wrote:I want to pass my house directly on to my son and why shouldn't I. If Jeremy has his way it will be spending money for the Labour Party. So Boris it will have to be.

I don't get this, Meds.

You can give your home to your son, now, today, and if you live for seven more years, as you should, it will not be included in your estate for inheritance tax purposes - unless you continue to live in it. Oh dear - see point two.

But if you keep it and then need care in later life it is classed as capital and can be used to pay your care fees. It only needs to be worth more than £23,250, then you are screwed.

BoJo, Jez, Corby or Larry the cat in No10 won't make a blind bit of difference. The laws are already in place and are not a priority for change any time soon no matter who gets in.