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The blond bonker and the orange manchild?

The Yanks are about to impeach Trump and the Johnson is on the ropes. Are we about to enter the second Renaissance, the new Enlightenment, an age of Sense and Sensibility?

Nah! Powerful dark forces will rise up to protect them. All will be back to madnormal come the weekend, but it was a nice dream while it lasted.

Wouldn't that be nice?

Saw Farage on TV this morning.
Best short interview I have seen. He said MPs should get out of London and listen to the people as the majority want to leave now.

Ugh, he's an obnoxious little man, and besides that just isn't true, most people do not want out without a deal.

Kaz wrote:Ugh, he's an obnoxious little man, and besides that just isn't true, most people do not want out without a deal.

This +++ and an extra +.

Workingman wrote:

Kaz wrote:Ugh, he's an obnoxious little man, and besides that just isn't true, most people do not want out without a deal.

This +++ and an extra +.

and more ++++

Kaz wrote:Ugh, he's an obnoxious little man, and besides that just isn't true, most people do not want out without a deal.

How exactly do you know this or is it wishful thinking?

It is difficult to know how the majority of the people in the country are feeling now after a three year plus debacle. I have not changed in my opinion at all and will vote leave again if required to do so.

I don't think this 'Nigel bashing' is justified. He has spent a great many years as an EU MEP and if he doesn't know its failings and shortcomings by now, I doubt anyone does. The usual cry is that Nigel is a racist. I have read that those who know him better would call him an old fashioned Tory and I would not disagree with that. I think he is a wily operator and he would not have jumped in two feet flying as Boris Johnson has done.

victor wrote:

Kaz wrote:Ugh, he's an obnoxious little man, and besides that just isn't true, most people do not want out without a deal.

How exactly do you know this or is it wishful thinking?

OK, let's turn that question on its head.

cruiser2 wrote:Saw Farage on TV this morning.
Best short interview I have seen. He said MPs should get out of London and listen to the people as the majority want to leave now.

It is Farage making the claim, so where is his proof. The onus is on him, or his supporters to back up what he claims. Does he know this or is it wishful thinking?

The floor's yours Nigel, crack on....

Well, there is only one thing I'm pretty sure is in the tealeaves, the fixed term parliaments act is dead meat in its current form. Because no Government will ever open itself up to being a puppet of Parliament ever again if they have the majority to "fix" it.

I must admit, the court has surprised me by setting a precedent of interfering in purely political statutes.

Don't like what the government did? Take them to court. The courts will have a hard time saying no as they have already set a precedent.

Don't expect anything momentous to happen over the next few weeks. Corbyn won't call for a confidence vote because that will leave Boris in the driving seat. Parliament won't vote for an election because that will leave Boris in the driving seat.

So they called Parliament back for what? To frustrate any possible chance of any deal?

This is what they have been doing all along. Farage is loving it, it plays entirely into his hands and all those MP's who want to stop Brexit are going to be howling Foul at the next election as he massacres them

As for "most people don't want to leave without a deal"? Not in the experience of talking to people who voted leave. They voted to Leave and if that means tearing us out of the EU by force, they are resigned to it.

In fact, for those I talk to who didn't know how this was going to go down, they are horrified at both the EU and Mps who are determined to remain. They never believed that those people could behave with such deceit and self interest, regardless of the cost to themselves.

If you think these people have decided to Remain and let the faceless EU and a bunch of lying, self serving, MP's tie us evermore into the EU, think again Kaz. Just because you think it is a bad thing and that the only way forward is to just forget it and move on, does not mean that this is what Leave voters think.

In my experience this whole pantomime has tended to stiffen their spines and justify their initial decision.