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Ireland will bring in legislation on Tuesday to enable migrants, (asylum seekers refugees and economic chancers) to be sent back to the UK. The UK is a safe place, you see, just like Rwanda. No flights will be needed as Ireland can just put them on a bus and drive them back over the border to the UK.

What I can't get my head round is why the "migrants" would take such a route to Ireland. They are already in the EU by being in France. They can legally get on a ferry to Ireland, no problem. It would be safer and a hell of a lot cheaper than paying the people smugglers for a trip on an overloaded rubber boat.

Politicians always search for an excuse.
Unfortunately insisting on no border on the island of Ireland has meant that these people can just walk straight into the Republic.
The thought occurs though - what's to stop them walking straight back again?

At the end of the day the EU refuses to police it's outer borders, so the third world arrives in their many thousands. Unless and until this stops we are going to have a big problem all across Europe.

Of course the EU polices its external borders, they just happen to be tens of thousands and thousands of kilometres long and about 3/4 of them are coastal.

It is not just a Europe problem, it is a rich versus poor problem and there are more of them than there are of us!

Angela Merkel opened the floodgates many years ago and migrants have flocked to Europe ever since. Individual countries within Europe surely now must work together to get a grip of this problem, perhaps with a common financial pot. The majority of illegal immigrants to the UK and the rest of Euroope are mainly economic migrants trying to get a better life for themselves, perhaps understandably, but money directed towards accommodation and support etc, will inevitably be at the expense of other areas and is not sustainable long term. I am at a loss to understand why migrants once they have reached a safe country are allowed to wander through Europe and choose wherever they want to settle. They should be processed in the first country they land in, then be sent back to their country of origin straight away or allowed to remain within Europe, whichever is appropriate, with the resources to do this coming from the whole of Europe and the common financial pot. While nothing or very little is being done it will only get worse.

Whilst we were signed up to the Dublin Agreement - as EU members - we were able to do exactly that. It also proved a legal route for asylum seekers - we no longer have that, so even genuine asylum seekers take the risky route on the boats.

Migrants of all sorts were entering the EU long before Merkel's 2015 Open Door policy. They were even coming to modern post war Europe long before the EU existed in 1993. The old EEC got them.

Migration, asylum and refugeeship rules from decades ago no longer work in the modern world. There are more people, lots more. Politics has changed - everywhere. Wars, and the means to pursue them have changed. Religious attitudes have changed - IS and Al Q now exist. Many things have changed; we need new rules / laws.

Today Ireland declared the UK "a safe space" for asylum, thus doing a "Rwanda" on us. They can now take the UK to the International court if we do not accept their returnees of "our" illegal immigrants.

Yep but these "immigrants" are going to Ireland because we're going to send them to Rwanda.

So now we become the Rwanda solution and they know it.

Howe very "inclusive" of Ireland! I expect these deportations will be challenged on the basis that these immigrants will be sent to Rwanda which is not a "safe place". The UK will, of course, confirm their intention to send them directly to Rwanda meaning their appeals will likely succeed.

Sometimes you gotta love the CJEU. It will block Ireland from sending these immigrants back to the UK.

Boot, other foot, Excellent.

Suff wrote:Sometimes you gotta love the CJEU. It will block Ireland from sending these immigrants back to the UK.

No it wont. Ireland states that the UK is a "safe place" to which asylum seekers can be returned and has been approved. The EU and CJEU will back Ireland.

The UK is not now a member of the EU, thanks to Brexshits.

Can it be said with complete certainty that all the illegal immigrants have travelled to Ireland via the UK and Northern Ireland. Are there any other routes that illegal immigrants can take to get to Ireland other than via Northern Ireland?

It was reported some years back the many of them just turn up at Dublin Airport without travel documents and others enter through sea ports as on-board stowaways or in lorry trailers just as they do for the UK.