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A female teacher has been stabbed and murdered whilst at work in Corpus Christ Catholic High School in Leeds. God rest her soul. A 15yr old boy has been arrested.

It is a school well known to me. Many of my cousins attended there as pupils and I did part of my PGCE training with Yr9. It is an old school, early '60s build, and is sandwiched between the Halton Moor and Wykebeck council estates.

Rough it might be, but this is a real shock, and only serves to highlight how bad things have become in some schools. I am so glad that I left the job when I did and there is no way on Earth that I would advise anyone to go into teaching, especially at secondary level.

I was shocked too, Frank. What a dreadful thing to happen, we will soon have to be like America and have all weapons removed at the gate. On second thoughts though I suppose a knife could always be got from the kitchen. Oh dear whatever has happened to the country.

About twelve years since Cromwell Jnr's football team played an away fixture against East Leeds. I was shocked. Because I saw children that day who I thought didn't exist in England any more; small, dirty, uncared for looking. I honestly didn't expect the area (off the York Road / Torre Road, WM) to be as poor as it evidently was.
It was also rough. Fireworks going off constantly (this was during the daytime), some of which sounded like WW2 bombs, rough language, rough teenagers. Though I will say that there were some very kind and friendly people there as well.

I never thought I'd see the day when a teacher was murdered in a local school.

Shocking,terrible. The lack of discipline in schools due to rules and regulations thought up by those Lilly liveried experts
Have helped create the present society. My heart Goes out to the family of the Teacher.God rest her soul, and her family.

Absolutely tragic. Perhaps we should be grateful, though, that so far in this country, such shocking incidents are terribly rare. Let's hope it stays that way.

Metal detectors may have to become the norm before too long, I suspect.

Sadly metal detectors are not the answer. It is not the Knife that kills. Knives do not have any agenda, are not able to act on their own.

Until we deal with the people who use the knives, we will never deal with the problem. My son (the policeman), is never so amazed as he is when he comes to France. Where you can buy swords at the local flea market. All sorts of knives, hunting knives, even bayonets. Do the French have 15 year olds murdering school teachers with Knives?

By the time a child reaches 15 in France, they are well aware of consequences.

Personally I'd like to see that 15 year old working hard labour for the next 25 years for no pay.

Queue the cries of "But he's just a child". Well he was adult enough to murder a teacher. And that "But he's just a child" is why we have people being murdered on the streets with Knives.

Until we change our attitudes, our public places and our schools will become more and more dangerous.

That is truly shocking WM - haven't seen any news here (cricket and snooker).
It's a good thing it is shocking of course, but no less awful for that.

Suff the age of responsibility is much younger than 15 I thought, isn't it 12? - so no-one should be using 'just a child' at all.

Diflower wrote:Suff the age of responsibility is much younger than 15 I thought, isn't it 12? - so no-one should be using 'just a child' at all.

I know, but they will. However the courts tend not to deal with those under 18 as adults and the penal system still treats them as children. Rather than murderers.

If you set out to take a life, with no self defence in the mix, then you should pay the price with your own life, or as close as we can come to that. That is my view and always will be. There are accidents, there are times when people do things in the heat of the moment they would never, ever, do at any other time. But cold blooded murder?

I saw this with the Grahams of Glenrothes. Year after year after year the Children's panel did nothing with them. They became more and more out of control. Until, one day, one of them, with a friend, stole a car and drove into a nurse; on Christmas Eve; deliberately. They left her bleeding on the ground; only the cold saved her life. She lost her lower leg. After that, they were finally expelled from Glenrothes and they were taken in north of Aberdeen.

North of Aberdeen they don't like antisocial drunk, drink driving, drug dealers on their patch. They have enough of their own. Slowly but surely the father and three boys were killed off by the local gangsters. Nobody mourned.

This is a disease which is spreading the UK. It's a "social" disease and it needs to stop before we wind up in armed camps just to live a normal life. Metal Detectors at school indeed. Nobody in the UK should ever have to live like that.

Yes, it's easy to ban guns, or ban knives, or ban anything else.

But why are we producing people who are so disturbed as to do such a thing as this? If we could find that out and cure it we would have little need to ban anything.

Ban a gun and someone will use a knife, ban a knife and someone will use a rock..

That said I bet Os is right; politicians like to be seen to be "doing something" even if what they are doing isn't particularly effective; and doubtless some Quango or fake charity will start squawking that "more needs to be done" so that incidents like this will "never happen again" (as if).