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Here we go again.
After UKIP's success in the Euro election, and the gains made by eurosceptic parties across Europe, Cameron is once more trumpeting his intention of "Renegotiating" our terms of membership of the EU. What an absolute con this is.
It's been done before. Harold Wilson "renegotiated" exactly the same thing in the 70's.
Only, he didn't really, and Cameron won't either.

Cameron won't renegotiate with the EU because it isn't renegotiable.
The EU is what it is. The "European Project" long term is to have a United States of Europe. It always was, and any British politician who acts surprised at that is a liar.
Large national Parliaments will be abolished and replaced with "Regional Assemblies" who are ruled direct from Brussels.

There will be one currency, the Euro. Eventually there will be one tax system, one justice system.
Economically the EU will continue to be a smaller version of Globalism. Manufacturing will be exported to low wage countries. Workers from low wage countries will be imported to high wage countries to put downward pressure on wages and conditions.

That's the EU. You can't "renegotiate" with it any more than you could "renegotiate" with the Terminator.
And I have to say that I find Cameron's dishonest posturing immensely depressing. He knows he can't renegotiate; all his big business chums know that he can't. Hell's bells, when Angela Merkel was in the UK last year she told us plainly that it couldn't be done!

But Cameron persists in trying to kid us with this utterly dishonest fantasy.
And you know what? He might get away with it.

At last! The truth is being accepted: None of the three main parties, and quite a few of the smaller ones, will offer a binding in/out referendum on the EU; not even with Nigel and his merry band snapping at their heels.

Yes, it's disingenuous, dishonest and a bare faced lie for Cameron, Clegg, Miliband et al to say otherwise, but they are politicians.

I have been banging my head against the wall about this for as long as I can remember. It is why I have always argued for the UK to carry its fight for change in the EU from the warmth within rather than from the cold outside.

Could I get many to listen? Could I Hell. The referendum carrots were dangled and the sceptics were chomping on them with gusto. They were going to get their referendum: some time; some day; soon maybe; whenever, but nobody knew when. They still don't know.

I agree with you both. We are caught by the short and curly's we are hog tied. I was praying that Farage would
Win and he did. The next oncoming months will be interesting. He has truly stirred up the hornets next

We won't see a referendum unless Cameron wins. He "will" give us an in out referendum or he will face the loss of his position. It is a simple as that.

However he won't win the way he's going. Then the Tories won't have to offer a referendum because they'll say that we didn't vote for it so we mustn't want it.

Cameron is in too deep now. If and I do mean a bit IF, he see's the light, works with the UKIP and wins the next election, then he will be forced to give and in out referendum to the people of the UK. The way people feel right now, we'll be out.

The Tories don't want to give us that referendum, but they're between a rock and the UKIP. Referendum or lose. Not much choice is there?