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Four years, or thereabouts, out in two: then what?

They will have had at least two years for their beliefs to fester and grow. They will need physically and electronically watching 24/7 - how many people will that take? They will be out and about spreading tales of their adventure. And there will be plenty of others following them home. What happens when their numbers are in the hundreds? How will we cope?

Jail is no deterrent.

They should have been sent straight back, no questions asked.

Fully agree; we are only storing up trouble for the future. They shouldn't have been allowed back into the country.

A precedent was set with the paedophile sex cruisers. That British law applies to British citizens wherever they are in the world. So if they go join IS and kill people, then they are tried as murderers as if they had killed someone in the UK.

My personal take is this. They claim IS is a state. They have chosen to break British law in going to Iraq and Syria and fighting an illegal conflict to take sovereign land away from countries recognised by the UN. If they want to do that we should revoke their UK citizenship, send them back to the conflict and tell them to apply for citizenship of IS. Or any other country who would like to have them.

Personally my feeling is that they don't need to be warehoused in UK prisons. I'd prefer to warehouse them 6 feet under.

It's also good to remember that these are people who reject UK society, laws and moral code. If they dislike it so much, they should go where they do like it. They'll be much happier; I'm sure.

TheOstrich wrote:Fully agree; we are only storing up trouble for the future. They shouldn't have been allowed back into the country.

Yep, and their passports taken! They are traitors, pure and simple, four years is an insult to the memory of those poor murdered men

When, oh when, will the powers that be take a proper stand in looking after the
interests of real English people. You know what I mean by "real", I'm sure.

We have let too many foreigners settle in this country of ours.
I have nothing against foreigners, but my view is that they just don't belong here,
and if they don't behave themselves they should be expelled.

If their loyalties lie with other States and they choose to fight for that State, then so be it. They should not be allowed back.

I hear tonight that the parents of two jihadis are furious as they informed the police of their sons involvement, the men returned to UK and have now been given a lengthy prison sentence. I think they thought that by giving the police information their son would be treated leniently.

KateLM wrote:I hear tonight that the parents of two jihadis are furious as they informed the police of their sons involvement, the men returned to UK and have now been given a lengthy prison sentence. I think they thought that by giving the police information their son would be treated leniently.

This is where it gets difficult. They got the heavier sentences of 12 years or so because they were pictured brandishing weapons, and I believe they found traces of explosives on their clothing ....

The West Midlands Police have said that the families should have acted and alerted them before the jihadists went out to Syria so the authorities could intervene. Implication, they'd only have got 4 years or so .....

I guess it makes you wonder, do we have, as a nation, a right to say to any minority community: this is our stance, our credo, OK you are not of our persuasion but while you are living amongst us as a minority, you have to rigorously submit to our culture and moral values? Most of us would probably say yes, but we cannot enforce this principle on minorities without being called oppressors, or a police state. And of course the minorities, knowing the hard line we will take, will not cooperate with the authorities.

Personally, it would have been a whole lot easier if we'd just refused them permission to return to this country ......

TheOstrich wrote:

KateLM wrote:I hear tonight that the parents of two jihadis are furious as they informed the police of their sons involvement, the men returned to UK and have now been given a lengthy prison sentence. I think they thought that by giving the police information their son would be treated leniently.

This is where it gets difficult. They got the heavier sentences of 12 years or so because they were pictured brandishing weapons, and I believe they found traces of explosives on their clothing ....

The West Midlands Police have said that the families should have acted and alerted them before the jihadists went out to Syria so the authorities could intervene. Implication, they'd only have got 4 years or so .....

I guess it makes you wonder, do we have, as a nation, a right to say to any minority community: this is our stance, our credo, OK you are not of our persuasion but while you are living amongst us as a minority, you have to rigorously submit to our culture and moral values? Most of us would probably say yes, but we cannot enforce this principle on minorities without being called oppressors, or a police state. And of course the minorities, knowing the hard line we will take, will not cooperate with the authorities.

Personally, it would have been a whole lot easier if we'd just refused them permission to return to this country ......

I agree 100 percent, we as a country are in a left stick.

TheOstrich wrote:
Personally, it would have been a whole lot easier if we'd just refused them permission to return to this country ......

This!