Vocal Voices

but it has to be addressed in both cultures if we're going to have a resolution.

As a father of 3 daughters I have a huge amount of sympathy for the parents.

But the more I read, the more I see of what is being said, the more I believe that this is not going to be the first or the last time this happens.

These cultures have isolated themselves from British society. They stand apart and hold their values, in the best case as different and in the worst case as superior. In fact they radicalised their own children in a very soft and homely approach. But radicalised once means they are ever more susceptible to radicalisation again to a more extreme form.

Every time we have some Moslem atrocity in the name of their lord, the west asks why they do not decry these acts as being against their faith and against all social mores. Why they say should we be singled out to make this declamation? Well read the article above. That's why. Because you told your already radicalised children that it is OK to do these things by not decrying the acts.

It's not so long ago that Christians were doing the same thing. Inquisition, Conquistadores, Slavery, oppression of women, lack of women's rights. We're not asking these communities to do something we would not. We are asking them to learn from our path to the society we are in today.

The difference or superiority works against them in this case.

Also, considering young girls and young women, there is another part which is never mentioned. For the 20 year old and the 17 year old it is almost certain that their mothers (at least if not their parents), will have raised the subject of their arranged marriages. It doesn't take much radicalisation for these young women to make them think that they can escape one of the pieces of their heritage which they don't want to take part in. For them, choosing a Jihadi, may seem like a much better option than having some person chosen for them that they don't know. The fact that they will have even less choice is something which is carefully kept from them.

In this I have a reasonable amount of knowledge. Both in my family and without. My cousin's wife was relating an acrimonious conversation between her and her sister. "How did you manage to marry the man you wanted" said her sister. "All you had to do was say NO" she returned with. However we know that many in Britain are pressurised into saying yes whether they want to or not.

Whilst my sympathies are with the parents, I believe the entire community needs to take a step back and have a long hard look at what they are doing and how it might be affecting those the love so much.

Of course the knee jerk reaction will be to try and lock up their daughters. Causing exactly the opposite reaction and much, much, more grief for families in the UK who have no need to feel it.

To this end I am struck by one comment from a parent governor at the Bethnal Green Academy

"I still don't believe that they are going anywhere other than a holiday – because this is how they were dressed and this is how they looked and this is how they packed"

See no evil, Hear no evil....... Blind as a bat and deaf as a post. Blinded by prejudice and deafened by his own voice. He knows perfectly well that children from these families would never, for one second, leave their homes and go on a "Holiday" without their parents. The consequences at home would be far too great and they are, when all is said and one, far too sensible to do something so utterly stupid. However their religion allows them one out and only one out. Jihad breaks all borders, all boundaries and all rules. So it can be used to rationalise the move.

As we have seen so often before the communities will try to draw in amongst themselves, rejecting others and going into bunker mentality. If they would only open up they would find a tide of help, sorrow for their loss and as more acceptance than they are prepared for.

Terrible isn't it.

I see that the three Muslim schoolgirls who have flown out to be jihadi brides are being described as "vulnerable" and that the authorities are "extremely worried" about them.

Which tells me that the political mindset that caused the Rotherham scandal is still firmly in place.

The question I was asking myself this afternoon was 'Why all the concern'?

These girls were not kidnapped or forced out of the country, they went of their own free wills. they, and their friend who left in December had accessed information on the Internet, information those out of the loop would have to look very hard for, and having read had made a decision.

Decision made they headed off to their Utopian Caliphate to fight the holy fight against us infidels.

When they eventually get there, and I hope they do, they might well find that the form of fundamental Islam practiced by IS is not what they were expecting. When they become the chattels of everyone and anyone, to be used and abused, and with no self-determination they might want to think again.

If we let them back, and we should, it must be with the understanding that they will take part in a campaign to counteract the lies and myths of IS propaganda. If not they should be on the first plane back to Syria.

If there is any 'real' concern it must be about the Neanderthals they left behind in the UK. These are the ones without the wherewithal, or the guts, to go to Syria, and because of that might just decide to have their bit of the war here on UK soil. They are the ones we should really be concerned about.

I must confess, when I heard about it, my view was that it's their problem, why involve the rest of us in it? If those teenagers don't know, from all that has been written and said, the dangers of going abroad and joining a terrorist organisation by now ......

Let the Moslem community sort it out. And they can start with : who in their community funded the plane tickets?

The question was posed, I think on Sky television, which was should the airline be culpable for allowing them to travel without checking. It was established fairly quickly that children from the age of 12 are allowed to travel and that the airline was not culpable

The problem, as I see it, is that their community is socially incapable of coping with it because of the way they treat women and how they treat their religion.

Oh they want help when it's all in pieces and lying on the floor but they will brook no interference before they get there.

I don't see any way of fixing it and that's a shame for the girls.

Amid all the false concern the BBC 'understands' that the authorities are to blame, or more to the point, everybody is to blame but the girls and their families.

Meanwhile Sky is presenting the same story in a less histrionic manner and has opened it up for comments. As I looked there were 84 comments and not one was critical of the authorities. Many of them are of a mind to take action to prevent such people from ever returning to the UK.

It appears that the luvvie elite is well out of touch with the public on this.

I was once in the position of having a discussion with a Moslem father at a wedding. The discussion was about the way that Moslems perceived western Christian or secular marriage. At that time he told me (well through an interpreter because he couldn't speak English well), that he didn't approve of our marriages because of the way the west appeared to treat them as disposable.

That man is now the President of a country which is impacted by IS. At the time I was very polite about the whole thing. Today I'd like to know if his attitudes have change. Mine have not, but my responses to the question most certainly have. I very much doubt his attitude has changed on Marriage. That is the whole problem we see here.

TBH, if I were in government today I would go to the BBC and tell them that they either produce totally factual and unbiased reporting or face being relegated to history as an anachronism.

I'm pretty certain that we'll never see these girls again except on video in "staged" productions. I'm certain they will have been met at the airport and "ushered" into the fold. Today they know what they let themselves in for. Now they have to live with it and so do their families. I wonder what, exactly, they are thinking.

I'm pretty sure this is going to make it much more difficult for my white, ethnic, Grandchildren to travel out of the country with us. Moslems, on the other hand, will hardly be challenged as it would be "racist" to do so. Never mind that 99.99% of the group at risk are Moslems. What would we want to worry about that for???

Our governing bodies have become too stupid to function.

Workingman wrote:Amid all the false concern the BBC 'understands' that the authorities are to blame, or more to the point, everybody is to blame but the girls and their families.

Oh, I was expecting this. It's ALWAYS somebody else's fault..

Workingman wrote:It appears that the luvvie elite is well out of touch with the public on this.

The BBC exists to tell the proles what it is allowable for them to think.

Yep, let's blame the authorities ....

Aamer Anwar, a lawyer for Mahmood’s family, said on Sunday they were “incredulous” that the contact could go unnoticed by Scotland Yard and other counter-terror agencies.

However:

Scotland Yard said on Friday that it had interviewed the three missing girls in December after one of their 15-year-old schoolfriends boarded a flight to Turkey in a bid to join Isis militants. The four were all students at the Bethnal Green Academy school in east London.

... and as Sarah Wollaston MP says, quite correctly:

she had “no sympathy for so-called A-grade girls travelling to Syria without doing their homework on IS [Isis] rape & murder of women”.

which is entirely my view, as I posted above.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... choolgirls