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Like many of the EU leaders Mr Sobotka is opposed to what he calls "discriminatory" welfare reforms.

Cameron is certainly missing a trick. Great I think. Everyone in the EU now needs to up their welfare systems to the MOST accommodating systems in the EU. Immediately. Then nobody will be discriminated against anywhere and we won't have any welfare migration....

No?

Thought not. Far too hard to do, that.... Let's just export our excess population we don't want and screw the UK.

Yet another reason to leave the EU. Not only don't they want to be reasonable, they think they have an entitlement to whatever we have and that they have no need to be reasonable....

Would you vote for it if you were outside and had all the information to hand????

Thankfully the article correctly describes Cameron's terms a "Wish List".

He might get some parts, or not, but whatever happens he will still be for the UK to stay in the EU.

Putin, on the other hand, might mobilise forces (not military) to drive a wedge between the EU and UK so that Cameron gets sod all.

Yes Putin has decided that the UK, out of the EU, would be a good thing. Because if he can divide us then he can have a stronger hand in Ukraine and other countries....

Not sure he's right there, but if it get's me what I want, then why not?

Cameron's ""Wish List" is exactly that. Also it should be very apparent what the attitude is. Conform or sod off... Of course they don't want us to sod off, they want us to conform. Just like they want the Greeks to pay. And Pay. And Pay. But stay of course.

Diddy David's "Wish List" has now become a "post-dated cheque", and one that could bounce, according to the latest observations.

EU leaders have to do nothing concrete because they know that all the main UK political parties will be campaigning to stay in, as will Chambers of Commerce and big Business: regardless.

Cameron will plead with us to stay in because of what he "might be able to achieve" and not because of what he has achieved.

And because he has already made it clear he will not do another term as PM, even if the Tories get re-elected, he will be a lame-duck PM come the referendum.

Cameron has now been quoted as saying that in the referendum people the status quo, if the alternatives can be made to appear risky"

So there we have it. Two years of scare stories about how we will have to sell our families into slavery and eat concrete for 50 years if we leave the EU.

There is no honesty in this. This country will never see an open, informed and honest debate on the EU. Never. The decision has been taken, we're staying in and everything will be bent towards that end.

The Guardian obtained "the note" telling us what we have known all along, but now it's "official" - the government will push for us to stay in.

This is not how I wanted the campaign to go; and it could all backfire. The main political parties are so unpopular that if they say "In" the electorate might be tempted to say "Sod off" and we end up leaving in a fit of pique.

Workingman wrote: The main political parties are so unpopular that if they say "In" the electorate might be tempted to say "Sod off" and we end up leaving in a fit of pique.

Let's hope that is what happens.

Aggers wrote:

Workingman wrote: The main political parties are so unpopular that if they say "In" the electorate might be tempted to say "Sod off" and we end up leaving in a fit of pique.

Let's hope that is what happens.

This is all very interesting. There will be a "sod it" factor, and even if we vote to stay in, I reckon it will be close. To a certain extent, Scotland springs to mind .... It could be argued that the Scots chickened out of independence at the last minute thanks to all the scare stories - will it be deja vu?

TheOstrich wrote:

Aggers wrote:This is all very interesting. There will be a "sod it" factor, and even if we vote to stay in, I reckon it will be close. To a certain extent, Scotland springs to mind .... It could be argued that the Scots chickened out of independence at the last minute thanks to all the scare stories - will it be deja vu?

Not sure. Whilst there are parallels with Scotland, it is much harder to present the entire UK as having only the influence of Estonia in the EU and the world.

Perhaps we should have a "lie-ometer". For every lie told, a vote should be added to the other side. At the end we could have a really good view of the lies told and then base our decision on who told the least lies.... Simply by counting the largest lie-ometer vote count.

Or a truth-ometer where one vote is taken away for each lie told and one added for each true statement. Although I think that they'd both be in negative numbers....

Wouldn't that be fun??

Why not pick one member of the public to toss a coin
Heads we are IN, tails we are OUT

Very quick and easy.
Then we would not have to listen all th arguments for and against.

Anybody got a coin with two tails?