Multiculturalism

[Aggers]

There is rot from the top to the bottom.

That sums it up quite succinctly.

Multi-racism ? -- don't make me laugh. We have the blasted politicians to blame
for turning this 'blessed plot' called England into a cess pit.

[cromwell]

I worked in the public sector in the North of England for many years, for councils and other bodies, and I will tell you this.

The behaviour of councillors and of council officials in Rotherham is absolutely typical. All the national politicians throwing their arms in the air with horror are absolute hypocrites. They would have behaved in exactly the same way and for exactly the same reasons.

Namely, multiculturalism is unquestionably (literally unquestionably) a good thing, end of. Anyone who says there might be downsides to it.. well, they most likely are racists aren't they? And racists should have no place in the public sector, should they? So people who point out that most of the Rotherham abusers are Pakistanis should be told (were in fact told) to shut up.

We have become a nation where in certain circumstances, the truth can be "unhelpful" or "inappropriate". This is official language here. So what happens to an inappropriate truth?

An inappropriate truth gets suppressed; aggressively so.

This has been official policy for twenty years.

Lastly I'll just point out that there are many other Rotherhams, many other examples of supressed truths and abused children, all over this country. The truth will out, eventually.

[Aggers]

I'm sure you are quite right in your comments, Cromwell, but It sure is a depressing thought.

I just can't understand what has changed peoples attitudes during my lifetime.
We have always had criminals and undesirables I know, but these were mainly
in the lower strata of society. Generally speaking, you could trust people in
responsible positions to behave in a trustworthy and honest fashion. All that
has apparently changed. You find it hard to trust anyone today. Why has this
change taken place? Has anyone any ideas? Multiculturalism might be one of
the reasons, but there are plainly other factors involved. But what?

[KateLMead]

You will recall the fuss a few weeks back about the Fox News pundit in the US who committed the gaffe of saying Birmingham is totally Moslem and the city centre is a no-go area for ethnic whites. He was roundly derided and had to apologise. In fact though, if you look at the incident in hindsight, there was a righteous hysteria behind the rebuttals, almost too much so. If Birmingham were the self-confident multicultural and diverse-friendly city the City Council and local Media would like you to believe, then surely Brummies would have laughed the slight off. But no, that's not what happened, they made him bare his buttocks and slapped him until he had made not one but (at least) two fulsome apologies, even interviewing him on video-link on the ethnically-biased BBC Migrants Today news programme so he could be ridiculed in real time. All very interesting. Don't step outside the party line even if you're an outsider.

The truth? Birmingham is 20% Moslem and most of them are congregated in a small number of inner-city suburbs (Sparkhill, Sparkbrook, Saltley, so on). The whites have long fled to the periphery and the Afro-Caribs (or whatever the politically correct term is these days, I haven't had time to ask Benedict Cumberbatch) are not far behind. I have walked in those areas and shopped there, (a few years back now, but I doubt it's got any easier) and whilst not being shown hostility, I have certainly been greeted with suspicion. They are self-imposed ghettos, just like Tower Hamlets - to the extent that I was uneasy walking in those areas and would not go back. The Fox News reporter was as not totally off-beam as some would have you believe.

It's the same in Luton and Bedford seriously no go areas.

[Suff]

I'm sure you are quite right in your comments, Cromwell, but It sure is a depressing thought.

I just can't understand what has changed peoples attitudes during my lifetime.
We have always had criminals and undesirables I know, but these were mainly
in the lower strata of society. Generally speaking, you could trust people in
responsible positions to behave in a trustworthy and honest fashion. All that
has apparently changed. You find it hard to trust anyone today. Why has this
change taken place? Has anyone any ideas? Multiculturalism might be one of
the reasons, but there are plainly other factors involved. But what?

This is what you get when you break down the class barriers. I know it's not going to be popular to say it but when there were class barriers, then status was everything and each of the classes policed themselves. However corruption and lack of trust was ever a problem in the Middle and upper classes but they policed it ferociously because they could not be seen to "let the side down" to the "lower classes". In the working class there has always been crime and dishonesty, however those who rose to positions of trust did so because they were trustworthy; mainly. There was a rock solid bedrock of working class UK citizens who were totally honest, totally incorruptible and totally reliable.

Now usher in the "classless" society. Nobody has any vested interest in policing their own because there is no more "our class". People from any walk of life can take up a respectable and responsible job with no real consequences for "doing the job badly" except to lose that job and pick up another one. This is very much the way the US is today and look at how they trust their own!!!! I'm sure some of them check their pockets and jewellery after shaking hands with them.

There are no longer any social consequences for acting in this way because there are no more social classes.

Labour succeeded in what it wanted to do. It turned the UK into a little US but with a much more socialist slant. Our working classes have been seduced with money and benefits and "social changes" which tore apart family structures. Our Middle and upper classes now have almost no barrier to them so no real need to clean house.

Way to go Labour! But then I never really liked them, their numbers never balanced and their logic was more crooked than the Major Oak....

[Workingman]

I see Charles Windsor has now stuck his oar in.

He is on a visit to Jordan and has started to bang on about the radicalisation of "young people" as though they are all at it.

And particularly in a country like ours where you know the values we hold dear.

You think that the people who have come here, [are] born here, go to school here, would imbibe those values and outlooks.

The frightening part is that people can be so radicalised either through contact with somebody else or through the internet, and the extraordinary amount of crazy stuff which is on the internet.

So, it is not all young people, is it? It is a particular group of young people. A group of young people from a particular religion. It is young Moslems, Charles, isn't it? It is they who are being radicalised.

If people in high places are going to open their mouths on a subject it would be helpful if they stopped being PC and told us the truth.