Ted Heath and his alleged child abuse.

[Suff]

Yes WM, that's exactly me.

Everyone is free to do whatever they want in their own home or even to pursue it in a public place discretely. I don't like heterosexual couples throwing it in your face either. Throwing it in my face to make a statement and breaking the law because they want to is NOT ever going to endear them to me and I would never, ever, vote for laws to make things easier under that persuasion. In fact the Gay Parade actually irritates the hell out of me and puts my back up. Something which then makes it "work" for me to interact normally with Gays. However I do that work to interact normally because not everyone agrees with it and not everyone can be tarred with the same brush.

As I said above. Everyone is welcome in my life as they come and as they stand, without prejudice.

The Indians at work are devastated that I've handed my notice in. I have been their closest ally in trying to get work done and have stood translator and negotiator every time my colleagues have lost their temper with the "Indians" and their frustration in trying to understand them. That's how I prefer my life to be.

So I reiterate. If I've offended then I apologise. I did not intend to.

[Edit]

Re-reading WM's message just one other point.

I'm against the imposition of Gay Marriage on churches too. Because I don't like Gays. Hell no. Because that imposition walks all over the faith, feelings and sensibilities of a large majority of church members. Who have been disenfranchised from their rights. They had their marriage and, also, if they really wanted a church wedding there are many of the church out there who would marry them. The Minister who married me would have married a Gay couple because he believed in the sanctity of the commitment more than a blind adherence to other values.

But, apparently, we can't have a reasonable debate about it without causing offence.

And whilst I'm on the subject, one of my close friends has a son who is gay. He was devastated when he found out and very touchy about the subject. Mrs S and I worked very hard to help him through that and the son and his partner are very interesting people. Also our Niece is Gay. She's a really great person and really great fun to be around. Her mother, however, is homophobic and anti gay. So our niece is more welcome in our home than in her own mothers.

I hope I've made my position crystal clear on this?

[Kaz]

Frank, I don't have a gay relative? Or if I do it's news to me lol Not that I would mind.............

Look guys, it's a free country, and you are both perfectly entitled to your views, but please no expressions like Arse Bandits on my site? That's all I ask xxx

[debih]

Your original comment made my blood boil Suff. But I accept your apology and know you did not mean it on that way.

I am with you on the gay pride thing. I have no view on homosexuality - I seriously do not understand why it needs a view. People are people no matter what their race, religion or sexuality. They live their lives his they wish - I have no view on it other than knowing it is not wrong (does that make sense). I have many close gay friends - I worked in hospitality for gods sake!!!

Therefore I don't understand why the LGBT community feel the need to have these protest marches and celebrations - equally I don't understand why any minority group feel the need to. Surely it's just drawing attention to the fact that they think they are being perceived as different when, after all, they are just people.

But, I digress from the original topic.

Yes. Ted Heath should be investigated and, if proven guilty, struck of every honour bestowed upon him. If he is proven guilty Nothing will truly brung justice as, like Saviille, he went to his grave a national hero!


Sent from the dark side of the moon

[Workingman]

Frank, I don't have a gay relative? Or if I do it's news to me lol Not that I would mind.............

Oh, blurdyell I was convinced that all your relatives were gay. Now how did I get that wrong?

Sorry, a huge misunderstanding.

I just read Debih's post and agree with every word. Past discretions should not be forgiven, even if the perpetrator is dead. They should be investigated in full and if the allegations are proved any honours should be removed and their estates made to pay compensation to the victims.

[debih]

Dead or alive, in cases like this it's the perpetrators families who really take the brunt.

Although of cause the main victims are of course the victims and their families.


Sent from the dark side of the moon

[Aggers]

As this thread has developed into discussing homosexuality, these are my personal views....

I have no objections or adverse feelings if persons of the same sex wish to live together - that is their choice.

But same-sex marriage? That doesn't make sense to me.

Also why the need for gay marches and celebrations. Perhaps a psychiatrist might be able to explain.

[TheOstrich]

Perhaps someone would like to explain the rationale as to why we are tying up hundreds of police officers investigating historic sex allegations by dead people when 1,400 children were abused by Asian sex gangs in Rotherham - and probably still are, judging by some of the more recent quotes I've read from the victims - and South Yorkshire Police have STILL not made any further arrests. IMO, people's priorities are all wrong. I could get quite heated about this, but I appreciate it's a sensitive topic and Kaz has asked us to play nicely, so I won't!

Therefore I don't understand why the LGBT community feel the need to have these protest marches and celebrations - equally I don't understand why any minority group feel the need to. Surely it's just drawing attention to the fact that they think they are being perceived as different when, after all, they are just people.

Couldn't agree more. But it's all part of celebrating multi-culti isn't it?

I'm against the imposition of Gay Marriage on churches too.

And so am I. But then I'm one of they snake-waving, raving, hip-swaying Evangelicals, so don't expect anything different outta me .....

At the end of the day, live and let live - each to their own - and let's not impose our views on others. You promise you won't force your gay marriage views on me, and I promise I won't come and loudly sing choruses through your letterbox at midnight ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwjOLFMZhQo

[Kaz]

The original topic was child abuse? I don't see the need for taking it down the route of discussing homosexuality at all One topic is a vile assault against innocent children, historic or otherwise, and the other is perfectly legal and between consenting adults, and should be irrelevant and certainly not bought into the same discussion IMO....

I tend to agree with Debih, a person's sexuality is their own business and should be totally irrelevant, as indeed their colour or religion should be - certainly as far as a discussion on child abuse is concerned!

[Suff]

Look guys, it's a free country, and you are both perfectly entitled to your views, but please no expressions like Arse Bandits on my site? That's all I ask xxx

And nothing unreasonable about it either so I won't.

But it is an expression of how angry I am about the whole thing so I won't go back and change it. My children and grandchildren are never likely to be vulnerable enough to see this state, but I can project the possibility.

Personally, whilst I think that investigating the dead needs to happen over time and I also understand that a full investigation may turn up those who are still alive or those who are still practising, I'm very much with Ossie on this. There is a massive problem for the Police right here right now and it's even less approachable than the Politicians.

The impression it gives is these Asian men will only be stopped from doing what they are doing when they are dead.

Not a good impression to give. They need to do more and communicate better.

In some ways we actually need a cross border force somewhat like the FBI who deal with these issues and politicians too. The FBI love nothing more than dirty politicians in prison, something the Police often don't like.

[Kaz]

I do most certainly agree about needing to concentrate more on the here and now - children are going through this stuff as we speak, and it needs fully addressing There is a hint of the 'show trial' about all the big names...........