Reality Bites

[cromwell]

Crommers, put a few bob on it, then sit back and watch the reaction when they wise up.

This might have been mentioned already, but surely next month it will be the Oktoberfest beer festival in Munich?

A load of boozed up Germans and a city full of migrants? They will be working overtime to shift them out of Munich before first orders at the bar!

[Suff]

Looks like the coppers in Brussels are blocking streets off.

They blocked off the street where my door is.

It all seemed to go off without a hitch, but I doubt I'll see anything about it on the news.... It let me procrastinate getting the wheel done and back in the bike. All done now though...

The German suspension of Schengen is just a laugh isn't it. Denmark was castigated for closing it's borders, Hungary is being castigated, but when Germany says "we can't take them all we need to close the borders", the reaction is what? Oh Schengen allows for that just open them when you can.

Germany has had to deal with what? 60k? 80k? Hungary is having to deal with 160k and is getting precious little help. Yet is Hungary just letting them through? Nope it's being responsible and trying to register them. Then when they hold them to register them, the rest of the EU call them Nazis.

It's not where you are, it's Who you are. Every time.

The EU is so dysfunctional and it is these events which really show it up...

[cromwell]

Stories you will never see on the BBC, part 94.

Feminist protesters at a fundamentalist Muslim conference in France where one of the topics for discussion was "Is it OK to beat your wife?".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... women.html

[Suff]

It is all coming unglued as we predicted. Schengen is being derailed. Hungary is going to build it's fence part way between itself and another Schengen Country. Other countries are just waking up to the fact that they can't just sit back and watch the flow of humanity through their neighbour and do nothing to help or assist. Because that neighbour is going to make it their problem.

Germany thought it was "doing the right thing", but is now realising that these illegals don't give a damn for their laws or their rules, all they care about is a comfortable EU life...

The FT has it's article on Hungary.
Nice to see some clear statements here.
I have linked the FT article for those who can view or have a free subscription (like me, I get a few articles a month), as required by the FT terms. I have taken a few salient points out of the article to highlight them.

Hungary declared a state of emergency to deal with the growing refugee crisis, as European countries adopt an increasingly tough stance on the tens of thousands of people seeking to enter their territory.
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Under its new border regime, Hungary will send immigrants who fail to win asylum back to Serbia and makes it a criminal offence, punishable by prison or deportation, to cross the border illegally or damage the country’s border defences.
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Germany shifted from its previously welcoming stance to imposing emergency controls on its border with Austria and disrupting road and rail traffic.
A day later, Austria, Slovakia and the Netherlands all increased border checks in response, with Poland signalling that it could also take such measures.
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Hungary has taken a prominent role in the debate, leading the opposition on Monday night to the European Commission’s plan to share out refugees. It was joined by other central European states, such as the Czech Republic, Romania and Slovakia.
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Thomas de Maizière, Germany’s interior minister, suggested on Tuesday that countries that rejected quotas could receive less EU funding.
Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s vice-chancellor, said “Europe disgraced itself” because of ministers’ failure to agree. “Our country can’t solve the refugee problems of half the world by itself,” he added a day after warning that 1m refugees could come to Germany this year.
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Hungary said that refugees will still be able to claim asylum at two border crossings, but if they have entered from Serbia without seeking asylum there first they face automatic expulsion within eight days.
Mr Orban also said that the vast majority of travellers should be treated as illegal immigrants seeking a European standard of living, rather than refugees seeking safety, according to the Associated Press.

So the sheep are roaring and the Germans are, by turn, threatening and cajoling. They might want to consider that the damage unlimited immigration would do to their economies is far greater than the net worth of the EU. Sigmar Gabriel may also want to recognise that the entire EU can't deal with half the world's immigration problems because that problem is bigger than the population of the entire EU.
Time to get a grip and start applying the law which was written for a very good reason.

[Workingman]

Orban is right. If they came through Serbia without claiming asylum they are illegal and can be removed in eight days. That is international law.

He is also correct in stating that the vast majority of migrants should be treated as illegal immigrants rather than refugees seeking safety.

Those are Schnegen and International laws. This is a global and not an EU or European problem. It is time the UN and global community accepted that.

[Suff]

Yes I quite honestly have no clue why they were not applying the law before. It was ultra clear that the vast majority of immigrants were economic immigrants and not refugees.

Now we have one country applying the laws and others, because they didn't, are complaining. Serbia is complaining that they won't become a refugee camp. Well the message is simple. Don't let them in from Greece. If you can't control your borders, then sort yourself out and get your borders controlled.

Only now that Germany, stupidly, has opened the flood gates and immigration has reached epidemic levels is the EU talking about how the perimeter borders of the EU are not secure. Well, surprise, surprise, the UK has been telling you that for decades. But so long as they wanted to go to the UK, everyone else in the EU was willing to just punt them along and make it our problem.

After 2 decades of ignoring the problem, they are finding that the lost opportunity is causing them huge problems. My concern dissipation just went into overdrive. My amusement levels have also raised greatly. Had they listened, two decades ago and done what needed to be done, we would not be in this mess. Instead they chose to lecture. OK the UK has been equally to blame by not sending them back. But the UK did not create the problem. Now that half the EU is being impacted they're all rounding on Greece, Italy and Spain. Pity they didn't do that long, long ago instead of rounding on the UK for stopping them at Calais...

[KateLMead]

Hard.

As it becomes clear that Germany has already taken nearly half a million immigrants and as it becomes clear that this is only a drop in the ocean, the 160,000 quota being talked about by Junker becomes nothing more than a pipe dream. This is nothing more than one month of the flood that is coming through.

It can only get worse. At 5,000 a day, that's nearly 2 million a year and that is _only_ those making it over by land, through the Balkans, from Greece and Turkey. This doesn't include all those trying to make it via ship from North Africa.

The statement from Germany that they will take nearly a million immigrants has opened the flood gates. It was stupid to the point of insanity and all it did was encourage, quite literally, millions of people, to think that all they had to do was make it to the EU and their problems would be solved.

Never mind the fact that the EU is averaging 10% unemployment or that the EU economy is sitting on the sidelines refusing to grow. Never mind the fact that social and health services in the EU countries can't cope with this level of influx on an annual basis. No matter how bad it gets for us in the EU, it will still be infinitely better than what they left and, let's be clear here, they don't care how bad they make it for us so long as things are better for them.

What do we do when it's 100 million on the move? We've already proved that we are incapable of closing our borders to tens of thousands. We are incapable of processing thousands and we have no will to send those who are illegal back to their home countries.

It can't end well.

I wonder when all those Germans and Austrians who rushed to their cars to pick up those "poor deprived refugees", because their governments would not do anything for this one time problem, because the press keep telling them that we're failing these poor people; will begin to feel like idiots as the tens and hundreds of thousands more pour over the border?

I wonder when all these poor deprived "good citizens abroad" will start to tear down the Hungarian fences with sheer numbers? No matter the cost in lives. I wonder then what the Hungarians will do.

I'm probably more prepared for this than most. I've had nearly two decades to think through the ramifications of 1 billion people displaced by climate change who will simply move somewhere else and take, by main force, that which is not on offer. It is no surprise to me that huge numbers of city people would just "go somewhere" and expect someone else to "fix it" for them in a world where borders have become fixed and you require to be registered to move anywhere.

As an ex member of the Army I've had to deal with the reality that 1,000 police or Army can't stop 100,000 people from doing exactly what they want to do unless you choose to start killing them. Because when that number of people decide to do something and decide that the consequences don't matter, then the only force capable of stopping them is the Armed Forces and their training is to "kill the enemy" not "keep the peace".

The Sky article states

42,000 migrants were expected to enter Hungary by next week.

And if Hungary decides to try and stop them?

Already they believe that the laws of the land they are crossing don't matter. So far we are not applying them. When we do, are we lighting the blue touch paper on the powder keg?

Never Was Truer Word Spoken Suff!!!!