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Re: So there you have it...

Postby medsec222 » 18 Feb 2016, 11:10

I don't trust any of them - Boris Johnston least of all as he is enjoying the attention but will ultimately do what is best for Boris Johnston. I believe Nigel Farage, as what you see is what you get. I find it strange that he is disliked by so many because to my mind, he is one of the few honest politicians.
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Re: So there you have it...

Postby TheOstrich » 18 Feb 2016, 19:14

There was an interesting opinion piece in the Guardian a few day back along the lines of:

1. Cameron fails to win any meaningful concessions from the EU.
2. Bluff called, Cameron returns to the UK and calls the referendum, campaigning to Leave.
3. We vote in June to Leave .
4. Absolute horror from the EU and a swift return to the negotiating table ....
5. ..... Where meaningful EU-wide reforms are then enacted.

I wonder!
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Re: So there you have it...

Postby Suff » 18 Feb 2016, 19:33

It's not without precedent. That is pretty much the story of the constitution and the Lisbon treaty.

However, if the UK votes to leave, it's going to take a hell of a strong PM and a dammed sight more than lip service and promises from the EU to keep the UK in. In fact it would take another referendum with strong evidence there was a reason for it.

I'm not sure the powers that be are going to be willing to take that risk. ...
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Re: So there you have it...

Postby Workingman » 18 Feb 2016, 20:29

Both 24hr news channels are painting a confused picture now that today's meeting is over.

They are reporting that No10 is saying the mood music is good and that there is plenty of goodwill about. Next they are saying that after dinner Cameron is meeting the leaders of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary to thrash out the migrant and benefits problem. Finally they are saying that the talks could go into the weekend, according to some senior EU figures.

I can see Cameron coming back waving a wet paper napkin and declaring "A deal in our time".

I wonder if there will be a challenge to his leadership in the not too distant future?
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Re: So there you have it...

Postby Suff » 19 Feb 2016, 08:48

Workingman wrote:I wonder if there will be a challenge to his leadership in the not too distant future?


Possibly, the Tories have always been able to tear themselves up over the EU.

I notice that nobody is taking Corbyn to task over his position. Mr Leave EU is now becoming Mr Critic on why Cameron is taking the wrong path to staying and failing.

An "honest" man indeed!!!!!
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Re: So there you have it...

Postby Aggers » 19 Feb 2016, 12:33

Workingman wrote:I wonder if there will be a challenge to his leadership in the not too distant future.


I hope there will be. The man's useless, IMO.
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Re: So there you have it...

Postby Kaz » 19 Feb 2016, 16:24

Both Mick and I were saying the same, this might be the beginning of the end for DC
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Re: So there you have it...

Postby Workingman » 19 Feb 2016, 19:04

Having already said that he will not stand for PM for another term Cameron is a dead PM walking. Coming back with a watered down version, if he can get one, of an already weak 'deal' could be enough for a few maverick's to think it is time to bed-in a new leader before 2020. They must already know that voters will want to know the direction the party is heading. The last thing they will want is the anointment by the party of the new PM, as was done with Gordon Brown.

If one or two high-profile backbenchers make a challenge it will force the hands of May, Osborne and Johnson, and possibly David Davis.
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