Corbyn can get things right.

[Aggers]

O.K. Frank. I understand.

I'm afraid irony is not in my normal curriculum.

[Suff]

For me there are two key pieces of this.

1. Making them academies opens them up to private funding
2. Making them academies allows them to deviate from the national curriculum and from the ideological parts of no streaming etc.

Those two I see as positive/negative. The private funding could go badly wrong. Or it could go spectacularly well. I've seen both. In general, schools will tend to split down the lines they are today. Badly run schools will continue to fail. Well run schools will continue to thrive. BUT, here is the kicker. With Academies, the responsibility will reside much closer with the leadership of the school and much less with the government. Allowing the government to provide guidance and QA, not overarching control.

What has happened to education in the last 60 years has almost ALL been ideological. Personally this is the LEAST ideological change I've seen in education although it is the largest change since I joined secondary education myself.

Corbyn? Given that he is a person almost totally driven by ideology, I would not trust him with a day care centre. Let alone the education system of our country. We've had far too many Corbyn's and far too few Camerons!

In my opinion...

[Workingman]

Corbyn? Given that he is a person almost totally driven by ideology, I would not trust him with a day care centre. Let alone the education system of our country. We've had far too many Corbyn's and far too few Camerons!

Not for me, I would say that we have had too many politcians, of all colours, and education "experts" poking their noses in for far too long.

When it comes to academies getting private funding I question what sort and where it is coming from and what will it be used for?

Will it come by way of philanthropic donations of some sort, not impossible, or will it be loans - more likely. If the funds come as loans what will an Academy sell to pay off any loans? Will it be space on its website or use of its facilities outside teaching times or both? I cannot see any of those paying off a substantial loan. How about they sell buildings and playing fields?

There is already evidence that a lot of an academy budget, of which we still pay, is going to sky high salaries for members of Academy Chain boards, and as they are outside government and local authorities control we taxpayers get no say. Corbyn is right in that this is privatisation by the back door and as an ideological move it is one of the BIGGEST ever.

It is partly correct that Academies do not have to follow the whole of the National Curriculum. However, they do have to teach the core subjects of English, Maths, the Sciences and one Humanities subject. Outside of those Academies can teach a range of other subjects, but in total the curriculum taught has to be broad based and relevant.

[Suff]

Not for me, I would say that we have had too many politcians, of all colours, and education "experts" poking their noses in for far too long.

Coming from a family of teachers I’d have to agree with that. They all say the same thing, amateurs trying to play at being professionals.

As for the funding thing, of course the bulk of the funding will come from the state fees paid for each child, just as it did for all the private education before. However there have been examples of public/private education. Two of my grandchildren went to a primary which was public/private funded by the local businesses. Not as loans either.

I have some thought bouncing around my head that businesses can allocate these costs as expenses against tax as investments against the future employees education but could be wrong. I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of the funding will be of the “grant” kind and not the loan kind.

As ever it will come down to the quality of the management team and the governors. Perhaps the education establishment will have to stop promoting people to the limit of their incompetence?? Education is not replete with quality managers, it is not quite in line with an academic teaching career. Many who do have this skill have no intention of rising to the level of the “idiots” (their words, not mine), who do not.

Don’t worry it will only last to the next Labour government which will then change it again at vast expense and absolutely NO benefit to the children being educated…. Plus ca change…

[Workingman]

Yes, I suppose some funds could be in the form of grants as businesses look to reduce their tax liabilities.

That does not alter the fact that academisation removes the need for the state to provide education for primary and secondary pupils as required by various education acts. It also removes any control or say in education from the taxpayer, local communities and parents. Morgan wants to remove the legal requirement for parent governors in Academy governing bodies.

The whole scheme is a step back to how some parts of education were in the late 1700s.

[cromwell]

Once every school is academised, who owns the buildings and more especially, the land around them - like playing fields?

[Workingman]

Once every school is academised, who owns the buildings and more especially, the land around them - like playing fields?

Now, now, no need for that. It was a simple oversight that Nicky forgot to mention.

Nicky had a lot on her plate as at the time as she was writing a speech to be given to that august educational establishment, the Fashion Retail Academy, telling us that Brexit could devastate the life chances of the young for a generation.

She might want to do a 'compare and contrast' with Brexit and the 'Great Academy give-away' before her next bright idea.

[Suff]

She might want to do a 'compare and contrast' with Brexit and the 'Great Academy give-away' before her next bright idea.

Erm, or not...

There are some interesting questions like who owns the buildings, who is going to pay the rates, who will fund new Schools when they are required.

It's probably going to be like the actions to break the unions in the 80's. Driven by deep frustration at the failure of all other efforts but winds up with huge amounts of unintended consequences.

I'd like to see the detailed white paper on it.

[Workingman]

Remember that as a 'remainer' I am supposed to be on her side.

She makes a speech right out of the pages of the 'Project Fear' handbook claiming that Brexit will devastate the life chances of the young for a generation. Yet in her day job she is pushing through a policy that definitely WILL hurt their life chances for a generation or more.

We already own the schools, oops, Academies, we pay the rent and rates and it will be us who will pay for any new educational establishments while the "privateers" rake in the money.

[cromwell]

Where does all school land go to? The government.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... t-71669177

I wonder how much a shcool playing field in London is worth?