Greek deportatoins

[Suff]

A shambles from day 1.

Did we really expect anything else? The EU deal was always unworkable because Every Single Illegal immigrant would have to have an individual assessment before being deported.

I'm pretty sure that more people arrive in a day than the government can deport in a week through this process..... It just becomes a numbers game where Turkey gets money and favours but Greece can't deport the illegals due to UN and the EUHRA.

It's going to be really funny to watch every single person dragging out the HRA to fight deportation in Greece. I'm sure that there will suddenly be a huge raft of Lawyers in Greece ready to present the denial of core human rights to these "poor souls"...

I mean, The DRC is right next door isn't it?? Ditto Afghanistan.

It's rather nice to watch this insanity playing itself out somewhere else than the UK. What will be the next EU move? Temporary suspension of the HRA imposed on Greece by the EU in order to get rid of the illegals??? Wouldn't that play well in the referendum. Laws which are sacrosanct when the UK wants to argue but flexible when the EU wants something to happen...

[Workingman]

I have no idea what the EUHRA is.

There is the ECHR, but that has nothing to do with the EU, and the UK has a Human Rights Act, but again that has nothing to do with the EU.

Having said that, the 'one in, one out' deal with Turkey was always going to be an unworkable disaster. Now if they had said 'one in one hundred out' I might have supported it. Or they could simply have implemented International law and had done with it.

[Suff]

I should have said the enforced ratification of the ECHR convention.

This is mandated by

Article 6(2) of the Treaty Establishing the European Union (Maastricht Treaty): "The Union shall respect fundamental rights, as guaranteed by the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms signed in Rome on 4 November 1950 and as they result from the constitutional traditions common to the Member States, as general principles of Community law."

So, in effect, it is the EUHRA, it is the treaty article which mandates that each country sign up to the ECHR, which in turn forces the UK to have the HRA.

The history behind which is the fact that Major, when he ratified the Maastricht treaty (which Maggie refused to do as it was undemocratic and not what the UK should be in), he negotiated an opt out to the ECHR requirement. Blair, when he came into power, promptly removed the opt out at the next treaty negotiation.

So if anyone wants to blame anyone for the HRA, blame Blair, it is entirely his fault.

However, back to my original post.

It was an amused aside that the mandatory adherence to the ECHR, which is what the UK HRA encompasses, for Greece, could scupper the whole EU refugee approach with Turkey. Then I alluded to the fact that the EU might just waive that annoying little legislation in an attempt to dump the refugees back in Turkey.

I was just amusing myself as to how all of that might play in the UK press.

[KateLMead]

I find it very difficult to approve of women and children including new borns being deported, my heart aches for them what do they have to go back too.?

[cromwell]

I would happily deport every last one of them, men, women, children and household pets.The only thing they bring with them is trouble.

[KateLMead]

These little ones have suffered enough Cromwell they are innocent's caught up in this terrible situation, many have died in the process of their mothers seeking sanctuary. I, like the majority would send all the males back to their countries of origin, knowing by doing so Isis will have a lot of volunteers, if you can't beat them join them !!!!Immigration officials are not fit or purpose the whole situation has become a farce.

[Suff]

The little one's are being used as bargaining chips in the attempt to get into the EU Kate.

However, consider this. For every Syrian sent back to Turkey, one is taken into the EU, direct from Turkey. Legally and with paid travel, safely and to a safe home.

That move, with thousands returning back to the shores of Turkey, will stop the floods of hundreds of thousands (they believe), coming over illegally via boats and putting those children's lives at risk.

Of the 202 deported already, almost all were Afghanistani, Pakistani and DRP men trying to force their way into the EU illegally because there is unrest at home. No mass deportations and no real cynicism. That will come later. However even if some few do get dumped back in Turkey, it will save the lives of thousands more.

What else should they do? Take them all then watch millions more put at risk?

The plan won't work because the EU legal system and the UN are determined to flood the EU with anyone who just wants to move because things are bad at home. Obviously we want them to stick in and make home a fit place to live, but they don't want to do that, they want to just walk away and make it our problem.

It has to stop somewhere and at least this is a recognition that things cannot go on as they were.

[Workingman]

Sorry, Kate, but I am with Cromwell and Suff on this one, even though I know it is cruel.

The women and children are being used as bargaining chips and that is largely due to the way the EU is handling things. Had camps been set up at the end of last summer, as I suggested, these people would be safe and at the same time able to be processed and moved on - one way or the other.

The current system is what we ex-servicemen used to call "organised chaos".

[KateLMead]

Frank as I have said all along. When B'Liar invaded Iraq on a lie with Bush he would create a blood bath in the Middle East, not difficult to prophesyie. Yes Saddam a terrible Despot had weapons, a maJor one being gas that he used on the poor Kurds.There was unrest Iraq during his reign but people could walk the streets in safety. Now the country is reduced to rubble, millions have died and others have lost everything including HOPE. In my opinion we can put this catastrophe down to the actions of two power mad fools, one being B'Liar "The untouchable"?