Manchester bombing

[cromwell]

Shell, the only short term thing I can think of is not to vote for any politician or party who gives it the "Ooo innit terrible, but what can you do?" line. Because that is far too close to doing nothing at all.
I don't want to be told that we have to get used to this sort of thing; I want firmer action taken against people who commit or support acts of terrorism and murder in this country. The suicide bomber may be beyond punishment but his associates aren't.
The intelligence services mainly keep us safe but there has to be tougher action taken against those convicted of plotting and supporting these atrocities.

[miasmum]

I do completely agree Cromwell, its like all those posts on Facebook about standing together with Manchester, what is the point?

The problem is even the army on the streets wouldn't stop this sort of terrorism. He could have been an innocent father collecting his daughter last night, until he detonated how do you know?

[medsec222]

These fanatics are living amongst us. They could be our next door neighbours. Nigel Farage was correct when he identified a 5th column, yet he was derided and called racisr for speaking the truth.

[JoM]

I do completely agree Cromwell, its like all those posts on Facebook about standing together with Manchester, what is the point?

The problem is even the army on the streets wouldn't stop this sort of terrorism. He could have been an innocent father collecting his daughter last night, until he detonated how do you know?

That's the problem isn't it Shell. It wouldn't matter how many armed police or military were put on the streets, if someone wants to strap a bomb to themselves and use it then it won't become apparent until they detonate it.
Yes, we're told to be vigilant and look for suspicious behaviour and I'm sure the authorities are better trained at that then most of us but how do you/they spot that person in a crowded shopping centre on a Saturday afternoon?

[Workingman]

Aha, somebody finally got it and was able to explain.

That person was a young woman from the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI).

This was a proper suicide bomber. It was not a jerk with a knife or a van or a car, but the real deal. His was a sophisticated device designed to cause the greatest carnage possible. It was not a garden shed job and probably took the knowledge and skills of more than one person - a group - to build, and therein apparently lies a problem.

Lone wolf attacks can be extremely damaging, as we have seen, and are almost impossible to spot by the security services. However, group attacks are almost exclusively more deadly and damaging when they get through. Even when the point of attack is only carried out by one member the group in itself has more capabilities and resources.... and access to further resources. This group, and it will turn out to be a group, was obviously under the radar and that will be a huge worry for the security services.

There will be others out there.

Jo, the suicide bomber model does not allow for them to be spotted if they do not want to be We only know when the bang goes off or if they do the Ali Akbar thing before pulling the pin. The current terror threat is not like the days of the IRA when we could look out for suspicious bags or packages, today the person is the bomb. The corollary is that we then start to look at all people of a certain race/religion as the threat and that will eventually wear us all down and with unknown consequences.

[victor]

So when accomplices are found we either lock them up for ever or better still execute them

[AliasAggers]

We only know when the bang goes off or if they do the Ali Akbar
thing before pulling the pin.

Yes, this 'Ali Akbar' thing is proof that a religion alien to this country has been allowed
to establish itself in a Christian country, and it is probably too late now to do anything
about it. Sooner or later these aliens will take over this country, unless someone with
guts grasps the nettle, which I very much doubt.

[Suff]

Talking to a French worker at the Bricomarche today he was at some pains to pass on his sympathies to me. But he said one other thing. They integrate and comply or they leave. He didn't care where but his take was that anyone who wants to try and force their religion on us by terror has no place in France and the UK either.

Perhaps our politicians should learn from the views of the French?? Or maybe be like their own politicians and ignore them??

One day people will wake up and realise that their vote is the most powerful tool ever given to anyone. Don't like what the parties are saying? There are independents out there saying what you want to hear, vote them in. A whole damned parliament of them if need be. It's only for 5 years, not a lifetime.

Until then, we have to suffer this kind of thing again and again until someone gets the backbone to make a solution of it.

[Kaz]

If we allow these acts to change our behaviour or our beliefs, then they win. End of

[miasmum]

Maybe Kaz, but I am glad I went to London last week and I certainly wouldn't want to attend a large event at the moment