Cake-ism

[Suff]

The EU commission is getting pretty happy with English Idioms. Even to the point of paraphrasing them.

What are we talking about? The Latest Tory answer to the NI border? No, not a chance. What they are talking about is the Labour proposal to stay in the EEA and restrict free access to people across the borders.

I must admit I do wonder where we get these idiots from. Lest the cretins from Labour forget.

1. The vast majority of the EEA is in Schengen. Not just the EU states.
2. Cameron was told exactly the same thing when he had the leverage of a Referendum. He was told "go away sonny it's a one stop shop. If you don't like it then Leave".

So is it any surprise at all that the Commission talks about Cake-ism when discussion the Labour proposal? Granted it is not a formal response because it is not a formal proposal from the Government of the UK. Quite the opposite actually. Our government has proposed that we are OUT of the EU and EEA but we agree a wide open free trade deal.

The only fly in that little ointment is that the EU doesn't do free trade deals. EVER. That's because it is a trade protectionist bloc.

This is the quality of our opposition. Well at least it's better than just rolling over and letting the EU do whatever they want with us. Just not a lot.

[Workingman]

But we knew all about the EEA and EFTA and Schengen and FoM and the NI border and CU and SM and everything else EU, didn't we? We had to know as we were the second largest member of the club - it is inconceivable we had no idea. So we had to have a plan how to deal with things before we invoked A50, didn't we?

Oh, I forgot, politicians were in charge

[Suff]

Oh yes and both sides thought they had a "plan". Granted the EU believed that it didn't need a plan as we were going to vote remain. Vote Remain thought they didn't need a plan as we were going to remain. Vote Leave thought we were going to remain but didn't really worry too much about a plan because they were happy with the default WTO situation if it came to that.

So the EU came up with a plan.

Screw us for the full €13bn a year that they will be losing over the next 7 years, plus a bit to cover inflation (€100bn). Keep us in the customs union and under EU rules and not allow us to create any trade deals with the rest of the world under the threat of taking Northern Ireland away from the UK

Tell us how it's going to be and then sit back and wait for the UK government to implode.

Now just how well is that plan working for them???

When you are talking about a plan to make a deal between two governments, you have to expect that nobody is going to get exactly what they want.

So the approach of setting out key aims and red-lines which we will not cross, is not a bad approach. So far it has worked extremely well. The only people it has not worked for is those who want to Remain at any cost. They keep wittering on about a plan as if the UK has the ability to deliver that unilaterally.

So every time I hear "we don't have a plan" I translate that into "I don't want to leave the EU". Sorry the only answer to that is. We voted, we are leaving, suck it up and start helping us leave, don't keep harping on about something which is already gone. That train has left and is not coming back.

[Workingman]

Well done, Suff, you have just enunciated the problem.

What does "Leave" actually mean, there are ever so many versions, and is your version the only pertinent one?

Remain was quite clear: Project Fear = Brexitaster.

Leave: Project wishful thinking = Brexitopia, hopefully, probably, perhaps, if it all works out.

Your next plan... = err, not sure, but it's better than the other plans

[Suff]

Your next plan

Goodbye and don't let the door hit you on the Ass on the way out!

Works for me.