Migration.

[Workingman]

The latest figures show that 139,000 EU nationals left the UK last year, but the net long-term migration saw 240,000 coming in. Net migration from non-EU countries was 311,000.

The overall increase once UK nationals leaving is taken into account is a population increase of 316,000. That is unsustainable.

We have, of course, had the weasel words from government that it "hopes" to reduce the figure to the "tens of thousands" once Brexit is complete.

This has nothing to do with Brexit. Most of those coming in are low-skilled economic migrants from outside the EU. Their flow could be reduced overnight. When it comes to EU migrants we also have control over their long-term stay in the UK using the same EU rules other members use. We cannot stop FoM except in exceptional circumstances, but we can set the qualifying period for benefits, the level at which they are paid, and how long for. If an EU migrant does not get a job suitable to sustain them, or no job at all, then their best option is to go home.

Whichever way it is looked at the UK has the power to control migration and it must act, it really must.

[AliasAggers]

Whichever way it is looked at, the UK has the power to control migration, and it must act, it really must.

Exactly, but why the heck doesn't our Government use that power? They need a good shaking up.

[Workingman]

Aggers, I was saying this long before Blair threw open the doors.

It was never an EU problem, but Blair's actions gave UKIP and the Leave campaign some good ammunition - hence Brexit.

The EU has, belatedly, realised that it cannot continue to take in Africa's economic migrants and is taking steps, pathetic though they are, to reduce them. The UK, on the other hand, is bringing them in their hundreds of thousands every year.

Come to the UK. Sell Big Issue. Get a dog and sit outside Debenhams. Wash cars. Deliver pizzas. Work the fields. Make coffee. Make beds. We need you. We are so useless we cannot do any of that stuff.

What? You will do these things for less than minimun wage and still make a few bob to send home. Get in here.

[Suff]

I see pretty much the same complaint in France and Germany too.

The Extra EU entrants we can restrict and should restrict. However, as far as I can tell, the business model is based on the easy availability of non UK staff. I guess it takes time to wean the businesses off that.

IF it happens and I do mean IF, it will be slow and painful. Something the public, from what I see, have no tolerance for. The public seems to think you can snap your fingers, on a country wide basis and it will all be fixed.

Sadly, real life is not like that.

[cromwell]

Mass migration will continue because those in power want it to continue.

Immigrants are more likely to vote Labour than any other party.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/et ... 91101.html

So Labour favour mass immigration.

The Tories are the party of business. Big business favours mass immigration because it makes them more money. Not only does simple supply and demand hold wages down, the sheer weight of numbers forces consumption of goods up. More houses are needed, more gas and electric consumed, more food is sold and so on. All this means more profit for big business.

So there you go. Both major political parties are in favour of mass immigration. It's not going to be stopped by either of them.

For the rest of us, who have to put up with increased traffic, longer NHS waiting times, increased class sizes in schools and the loss of beautiful countryside - as long as we keep voting Labour, Tory or LibDem immigration will continue in the hundreds of thusands every year.

And if you object to it you will be called a little Englander and a racist.

The UN is in favour of it too, billionaires like George Soros are in favour of it, the list goes on.

[AliasAggers]

Mass migration will continue because those in power want it to continue.
Both major political parties are in favour of mass immigration.
It's not going to be stopped by either of them.

Sadly, that is the truth, Cromwell, and is the main disadvantage of the democratic method of running a country,
but we're stuck with it, and I can see no other acceptable way in which we could do the job.

[Suff]

Well we could close the borders, put the politicians in prison and run the country by referenda and conspicuous democracy.

Sadly I think that there are all too many who like the responsibility of actually running the country even less than they like immigration.

Zero sum game.