Where are all the supporters?

[Workingman]

Another day, another problem.

An all party group will start contempt of Parliament proceedings if May does not publish the Attorney General's legal advice in full on Monday.

And former Brexit secretary Dominic Raab speaking of the advice told the Sunday Times the backstop would last indefinitely - for as long as it takes to negotiate a new UK-EU relationship - "unless the EU allows us to exit".

"The EU has a clear veto, even if the future negotiations stretch on for many years, or even if they break down and there is no realistic likelihood of us reaching agreement," he is quoted as saying.

"That's my view as a former international lawyer, but it is consistent if not identical with all the formal advice I received."

That is pretty damning coming from one of her own.

Has there ever been a pear so misshapen?

[cromwell]

Labour are making all the noise now about a second referendum.

Now, what would the choices be on the voting card, should this ever come about?

John McDonnell, shadow chancellor, says that Remain would be an option. Keir Starmer, shadow minister for Brexit and all round weasel, says that Leaving without a deal would not be an option.

Isn't democracy wonderful?

[Workingman]

He is also saying that if May loses the vote on Monday Labour will call a motion of no confidence and thus force a general election.

Fine, it is totally allowed by the rules, but we are about to enter the final straight and it does not stop the Brexit clock ticking.

We have 614 days gone out of 732 and we are no nearer a solution than we were on day one.

We need Guy Fawkes Mk II or to hand over proceedings to St. Agrippinus Nursery School, Reception class.

[Workingman]

You really could not make this stuff up!

Brexiteer architect Michael Gove on the BBC:

But although Mrs May's deal was not perfect, "we have got to recognise that if we don't vote for this, the alternatives are no deal or no Brexit".

"There is a real risk if we don't vote for this deal there may be a majority in the House of Commons for a second referendum."

Flip-flop. So we have gone from 'no deal is better than a bad deal' to 'a bad deal is better than no deal' and we might also get another referendum or even no Brexit!

Then, asked if Mrs May would have to stand down as PM if she lost the vote on her deal in nine days' time, he said: "Absolutely not."

He claimed there was a "strong movement behind the prime minister" among the public.

Yes, to give her a good push to get rid.

This is a (the) leading Brexiteer saying these things not some pesky no-mark Remainer.

[TheOstrich]

Engineering a general election and getting rid of this omnishambles of a Government is now as high on my priority list as leaving the EU.

A second referendum may well produce a majority to remain if the polls are to be believed. If that happens, we must ensure that the architects of this mess, the Conservatives, remain out of office for more than a generation.

[Suff]

The question for me is somewhat different. If we had been under Labour, we would not have seen the referendum. They would never have allowed it. If they had won the election they would have tried everything, including a new referendum with a 10% majority requirement to win, in order to cancel Brexit and keep us in the EU.

This may be an Omnishambles right now, but Labour would have been a slow moving catastrophe. I have no doubt.

Did any of us really believe that those who had become fat and sassy on the EU would let that particular teat go without total histrionics? Did we even believe that we'd get a Leave vote? Did we _Trust_ the politicians to deliver on our vote?

So let us go back and review what has happened in the light of our expectations before the polls closed.

We _will_ leave, unless the people become totally confused, allow May to be brought down, Corbyn to come in and the referendum result to be overturned.

Talking about getting rid of May and the Tories, before April 2019, is _exactly_ what the "Remain at any cost" crowd want Just by saying the words means you have made it more likely that we don't actually get any Brexit at all.

This is what the media, the press and most of Labour want. Blair would love nothing more than May to be brought down. That, on it's own merit, should be clanging alarm bells so hard that all Leave voters should stop and take pause.

Even more, this is what the EU wants. They have forced the issue so that May is in a no win situation. She must bring some kind of deal to the table, because people can't seem to get it through their heads that, at this late stage, No Deal is by far the least dangerous option for the UK. So May has to have a deal of some sort.

Mogg is quite right to hold May to account for what she has done, but that does NOT mean we should stop going forward. We should stop talking about trying to bring the Tories down and we should keep thinking about bringing the EU down when it comes to the UK. That is not a single step process. It was never going to be. Anyone who believed that it was going to be April 2019, get on your bike, we're all right mate; was dreaming.

It is going to take several long and hard negotiations to get the EU out of our hair. Supporting the government that is delivering this for us is our #1 priority. Because if we don't then you can forget Brexit and if we forget Brexit then you can forget the UK because in 100 years it will be history. There will always be an England. The only problem is that if we don't get the hell out of the EU cleanly now, it will be nothing more than a vassal state of the EU. Not today and not 20 years from now, but, Eventually it is absolutely certain.

So let us focus on the positives. The very same people who are bringing you "May the Omnishambles" are the people who brought you the UK in crisis the day after the vote to leave the EU, they brought you the second coming of the financial crisis and the total and completed collapse of the pound sterling.

You can count on the fingers of no hands just how many of those came to pass. When you read about the "Crisis" going on in the Brexit negotiations..... Consider the source.

May has a vote on the 11th. If she is defeated she needs to be guided to No Deal and forced to take us out without going back to the EU.

We don't need another referendum. We don't even need a new PM (unlikely well get one anyway) and we sure as HELL do NOT need another election right now. The people had an election before A50 was activated. If they couldn't be bothered to vote for what they wanted then, they should have their hands tied (as May's are), until the 5 year parliament expires.

Keep your eye on the ball Ossie. It is not as bad as it is painted and it can only be as bad if we listen to those for whom confusion is a major gain.....

[Workingman]

I do not see any point in revisiting things past.

What Maggie, Ted, Winston, Boadicea, the Whigs, Liberal, Labour or Tories of yesteryear would have done is irrelevant. We are in the here and now.

I watched plenty of parliament today and what is absolutely clear is that there is no single shining path to follow. They all have maps, but without any orienteering skills or a compass.

Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox, despite getting a rough ride, put up a good defence for May, but patently won nobody over. He also confirmed some of the things Brexiters and Remainers had been accusing government of while doggedly hiding others. To that end MPs have now put forward a proposal to proceed with contempt of parliament by the government over Brexit legal advice

Speaker Bercow says he will deliver a verdict on whether they would be granted a debate and a vote on whether the government was in contempt later on Monday or "at the earliest opportunity tomorrow".

That is where we are.

[Suff]

I do not see any point in revisiting things past.

What Maggie, Ted, Winston, Boadicea, the Whigs, Liberal, Labour or Tories of yesteryear would have done is irrelevant. We are in the here and now.

Excellent politics. Why would we ever want to learn from the past when we have the opportunity to learn the same lessons. All over again. Such fun isn't it.

As for navigational references? We have had satellites so long, a planet totally mapped for so long, that our natural English expressions are rusting away from lack of use.

Politically speaking, besides Greenland declaring independence from Denmark and leaving the EEC, we are in uncharted waters. No good with a political compass, it won't do you any good because you have no map to tell you where it is leading you. There are only the most general bounds to the direction and the very best tools for this journey are honesty and integrity. Sadly those charged with driving us on this journey are, precisely, lacking these qualities in lager part.

This journey needs a light hand on the tiller and an eye to the horizon to see if any stormy weather is coming. All I see is mutinous crew intent on taking over the tiller and driving us up on the rocks.

Nothing. And I do mean Nothing good at all, can come of the current infighting. It all plays into the hands of the EU and we need to let the journey run on for a little longer before knocking holes in the bottom of the ship. I prefer the lagoon, than sailing in troubled waters in the middle of a storm, before the ship starts to founder.

Sadly our great seafaring nation has become nothing more than a bunch of also ran's, looking for someone else to sail them out of the storm and into the calm waters.

That is where we are. Exactly!

[Workingman]

Bercow has allowed the contempt debate.

[cromwell]

No surprise there.