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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Kaz » 12 Dec 2018, 15:25

It was utterly shameful Osc! :roll: :|
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Workingman » 12 Dec 2018, 21:56

She survived, as expected, but it was only 60%:40% for, and of the 60% (200) 163 are in the pay of the government so were expected to vote for. Of the 154 on the backbenches she lost 117.

She has said she will go before the next election, meaning she has less time in office, less authority and with no credibility and no Brexit deal to pass muster. For the sake of the country she might as well go now.

We (the U K) are like the frog in the pot of water and the temperature is rising.
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Suff » 13 Dec 2018, 00:17

Osc wrote:Don't start me on this. The disgusting arrogance of anyone saying "the Irish should know their place" has me furious beyond belief.


As you and every other Irish citizen have the right to feel Osc. It was typical of some in the party and is a stupid position to take.

My concern on this matter is not one of respect. It is one of who is pulling the strings and why. The EU used Poland and Hungary to deny Cameron what he wanted. Having a look at where both Poland and Hungary are today should be warning enough, but, apparently, it is not!
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Suff » 13 Dec 2018, 00:19

Workingman wrote:She survived, as expected, but it was only 60%:40% for, and of the 60% (200) 163 are in the pay of the government so were expected to vote for. Of the 154 on the backbenches she lost 117.

She has said she will go before the next election, meaning she has less time in office, less authority and with no credibility and no Brexit deal to pass muster. For the sake of the country she might as well go now.

We (the U K) are like the frog in the pot of water and the temperature is rising.


Yes I had a feeling that this might be the end result. However here is a thought. Are there 11 pro Brexit Tory MP's who are thinking of stepping down by the next election. Because, if there are, then a vote of no confidence in the government leaves May and the Tories at REAL threat.

One to watch.

And just as a thought, May would have to stand by her commitment not to stand for the next election which would arise, virtually immediately, as a result of the no confidence vote.

Do not assume some have not thought of it and that the word will not get to Corbyn.
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby cromwell » 13 Dec 2018, 10:21

Yes, it's some vote of confidence when she has to promise to resign before the next election in order for people to back her!
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Workingman » 13 Dec 2018, 12:22

As the zombie PM heads for Brussels we hear the Sturgeon has become Corbyn's ear worm with whispers of a grand coalition if he tables a no confidence vote in the government.

That might happen if (when) she comes back from Brussels with nothing substantial by the way of legal assurances to offer. This could be done long before May's deal gets back to the HoC. Even if it fails it puts the government on notice that its time is almost up.
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby medsec222 » 13 Dec 2018, 17:36

We will have to wait and see if Theresa May comes back from Brussels with anything worthwhile. Apparently she hinted during the no-confidence vote that she could perhaps get something legally binding regarding exiting the backstop. Yet the comments coming from Brussels today is that this wont be possible. If this is the case then the deal is a dead duck. What makes it worse is that apparently the possibility of the backstop was known about well back at the start of the negotiations - yet no consultation with the DUP who were propping up her government.

Despite a grudging admiration for Thesesa May at the way she bats off her misfortunes one after the other, it seems to me she is a person who plays things too closely to her chest and does not involve her ministers in how the negotiations are progressing. David Davies for instance, has been called lazy and not up to the job of Brexit Secretary, but was that the case or was it that Mrs May relied solely on her civil servant Ollie Robbins and sidelined David Davies until he had no option but to walk away. Likewise Dominic Rabb, newly promoted and enthusiastic, also walked away after only a few months. Today on Sky news he made no bones about wanting Theresa May removed as PM.

Perhaps had everything been open and above board right from the start and the people who were appointed to do the job had been allowed to do the job, warts and all, we may not be in this entrenched position so late in the day. Theresa May played it the way she wanted to and she has only herself to blame now that her job is in jeopardy.
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Suff » 13 Dec 2018, 21:40

May promising to stand down at the next election has opened up some very interesting possibilities.

What if the election were next month?? Or what if she were to face the possibility of either standing down or facing an election next month?

Food for thought.
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Workingman » 14 Dec 2018, 01:00

Meds, that's a damned good assessment of things so far.

The big problem is that her way of operating has left the country on the brink of catastrophe.

Suff, you must stop asking awkward questions.

The latest is that she has got nothing tangible from the EU, so her deal is dead.

A big mystery is the news wires' reluctance to even mention the A50 revocation. It is out there and could stop the current Brexitmess. It does not have to kill Brexit, but it does allow for all sides to come back with a workable process.

But no; it's May's deal or no deal. It's as if it is a binary choice and there are no other options.
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Re: 48 letters are in.

Postby Suff » 14 Dec 2018, 04:06

Workingman wrote:Suff, you must stop asking awkward questions.


Yep they say that at work too... Where is the fun in that?

The press keep on asking why Corbyn does not trigger a vote of confidence. Especially where he might win. He most certainly does _not_ want to be in the place of May, trying to negotiate with the EU whilst everyone rips themselves to pieces demanding that everything changes whilst, at the same time, everything remains the same.

One day someone is going to do a logic analysis of the differing positions of the Brexit debate. The only possible conclusion can be that the country is either incurably insane or incurably stupid!
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