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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Suff » 27 Apr 2021, 13:51

Cromwell, you are quoting well communicated stats. But there is an issue with them. They are fairly out of date.

Certainly Hornsea phase 1 had a Contract for Difference (CFD) strike price of £140 per MW/h. It went up to £165 per MW/h and Jan 2020 wholesale price was £35 per MW/h.

However Hornsea project 2 is currently at £69 per MW/h.

Then when we get to the latest offshore farms, or at least some of the more recent, like the auction held in 2017.

In total, six offshore wind projects with a combined capacity of 5,466MW have been selected in the CfD Allocation Round 3, with the strike prices ranging from GBP 39.65/MWh to GBP 41.61/MWh. The strike prices are in 2012 prices.


Hinckley Point C has a CFD strike price of £92.50/MWh guaranteed for 35 years.

It is not as clear cut as you would think. Renewables are extremely cheap once they are up and running. So much so that they drive the energy market negative at times. But they are variable supplies and that is the real problem with them.

Still. I fully believe that the Nuclear is needed and we just have to eat the price.
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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Suff » 27 Apr 2021, 18:48

cromwell wrote:I know the electric revolution is coming Suff.
There are a fair few worried voices about the economic effect of zero carbon policies though.


It's not coming. That's the problem, it is here. These V2.0 electric vehicles have a longer range than either of my big bikes. They charge fast and they last a loooong time. None of this passive battery management which did for so many Nissan leaf's.

Lots of people in the US worried about affordable healthcare. But, in the end, it made very little difference to the lives of most people and a very large difference to a broad segment of the population who would never be able to afford their own.

People worry about change. The problem, as always, comes in trusting that your government will do the right thing so you don't wind up holding the bag and nowhere to go.

I know I've mentioned this before but it is worth repeating. We sell around 2m vehicles in the UK every year. That 2m will have to be EV or PHEV by 2030 and fully EV by 2035. Even then, assuming that we have only transitioned some 10% of our vehicles to EV, it will take another 15 years before we fully make it to EV vehicles only. 29 years is a long time even for politicians. It is enough time to get the current Nuclear power station finished, get two more built and have both solar and wind power fully ramped up along with biomass as backup. Gas too if we need it but the plant which is currently in build now will be EOL by 30 years from now.

Even then, there is the concept of sharing which doesn't exist today and a sharing market which can, done properly, actually net people money who take and store renewable power to get us over the humps of the lulls. The UK is heavily invested in Vehicle 2 Grid (V2G). We are leading standards for it and pushing to get this technology rolled out so that we can have a balance to our grid. At the same time it is always worth searching for Tesla Autobidder to understand the opportuntiy. It is trade right now but the long term goal is to get it to car owners.

If we look at massive solar roll out it puts an entirely different twist on our energy market. Today daytime power is peak and the most expensive. But in a heavily rolled out solar world, mid day is peak renewable power. We want people to take it, store it and give it back when it is needed (night time). Equally wind is peak in the early morning and late evening. So top your car up mid day, drive the 19 miles home, donate half your power to the grid overnight and then top up on early morning wind power before going your 19 miles back to work, with anywhere up to 290 miles left in your battery. Charge it up all day on solar at work. What is even more important is that you actually need to donate some of your battery to the grid in order to have enough space to fill up during the day. Food for thought.

Everything about our energy map will have to change. Nuclear is there to get us over the flat spots, the whole week with cloudy skies and no wind. But we don't see these weeks very often, once every 1-2 years really. However, once is once too many so we have to have a fallback baseload power. Yes we could do it with baterries, oversupply of wind and solar and other solutions such as Hydrogen and stored air. But the risk with Nuclear is far more known and the benefits are also known. Then again we haven't even talked about energy interconnects.

The generations that follow will see how we generate and use energy in a very different way. Just like the WWW and how my generation couldn't see the opportunity. Because of my interest in the whole climate issue, I have become plugged into the entire ecosystem of change and see what people bring up every day. The opportunities are HUGE.
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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Workingman » 27 Apr 2021, 19:38

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Ever so "green" eh?.

Solving one problem to create another real one. And a 200 mph car when urban speed limits are dropping worldwide to 20 mph, that is if you can go that fast! We all need one of those. Bigger and heavier than normal cars as well - potholes anyone?
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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Suff » 28 Apr 2021, 14:03

I'm not very green at all really...

But producing a 200mph car than can drive as far as a 100mph mini is a feat of engineering on which you can build a whole industry. Put that technology into a 100mph car and you can go further than all other 100mph cars. This is why, in the recent Tesla v VW ID.3 comparison drive, that the VW burned more power and had to charge longer, than the Tesla, because the technology is not up to it.

The fact that the best technology winds up in the most expensive vehicles is hardly a new phenomena.

Anyway. The world is changing. We can either get in and push or stand outside heckling.
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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Workingman » 28 Apr 2021, 16:47

I'm richer than rich! ;)

I put £1000 down with Ladbrokes at 100/1 that a good swerve, or something like, would be a fanboy reply.

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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Suff » 28 Apr 2021, 17:23

Why a swerve?

Nothing I have said is not true or irrelevant.

New tech goes to the supercars. ABS was once the sole premise of race cars and supercars.

That tech filters down over time. The company with the best tech is filtering it down. The competitors suck.

Nothing untrue or a misdirection there.
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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Workingman » 28 Apr 2021, 19:02

If you didn't notice the swerve you were probably driving hands-free posting on your laptop from the passenger seat. ;)
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Re: Thejuicemedia on EV policy in Australia

Postby Suff » 28 Apr 2021, 21:34

I wish... :D
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