Vaccinating 12 - 15 year olds?

[cromwell]

Not for me. They are more at risk from the jab than Covid.

[Workingman]

I would sit them down and give them the best information of the pros and cons I could find, excepting that on social media. I would then give them my opinions and reasons for them: 'no' for the 12yr-old and 'yes' for a 15yr-old.

It would then be up to them as it is their life.

[cromwell]

I see that Javid does not like the advice he has received from the JCVI and has decided to ask that little git Whitty to "consider the broader aspects" or some such crap.
Following the science eh?
As long as science gives you the answer that you want. When it doesn't, ask a scientist who will give you the answer that you want. Despicable.

Healthy children do not die of Covid, and putting them at unnecessary risk from a vaccination they do not need in order to protect older people is in my view appalling.
When the first healthy child dies of the vaccine or is left for life with a damaged heart, where will Javid and Whitty be? What will they say?

Imo this lot won't be satisfied until they are injecting babies in the cradle.

[Workingman]

As I understand things the risks to the age groups concerned range from very low to extremely low, but at the same time the benefits are only described as "marginal". What appears to be being looked at by the CMOs are the benefits to the wider community.... and they are not fully understood. That raises ethical and moral questions.

At least the present position is only an "offer" of a vaccine; it is not compulsory and that is how it must stay.

[Suff]

The science on vaccinations has long been settled. All vaccines represent a risk to some people in the country and EVERY vaccine has a calculation as to the general benefit to the population as a whole as opposed to the individual damage it may do.

MMR and the Quad were cases in point.

Why the covid vaccination should be any different is no mystery. The other vaccines were for a small segment of the population and could be mandated without undue resistance. Those with legitimate concerns could be rubbished and shut down.

Today it is a massive segment of the population and just about every negative impact has been live on the news and press, making it impossible to sweep under the carpet and brow beat the aware.

The situation is a farce!

[cromwell]

After more obfuscation and weaseling it is now clear that 12-15 year olds can over ride their parents wishes and get jabbed should they wish. Or more likely after being leant on and coerced by the teachers, as the teachers wish.
If I have a thirteen year old son I want him to do as I tell him to do. I do not want the teachers telling him to ignore me and do as the government wants to do. This is an attack on the family.
Also if a twelve year old is "competent" to decide if they get jabbed when is Boris going to give the same twelve year old the vote?

[Suff]

I get the point about parental responsibility.

But here is the point and many parents simply don't want to face it. Just how does a parent feel if their 13 or 14 year old gets covid and shows absolutely Zero symptoms. The parents are jabbed and so are the grandparents. But here is the critical issue. Grandparents are around 30x times more likely to die if they get infected than the parents. But the vaccine only gives around 6x benefit in terms of not getting infected. So the upshot is that the parents protect their child from the "possibility" of any adverse reaction and, by consequence, leave the child with the knowledge that they killed one or more of their grandparents.

Don't assume I'm scaremongering here, right at the beginning, last year, in Italy, the whole community was screaming to keep children away from their Grandparents as it was a death sentence and with the very high levels of grandparent involvement in Italian child rearing, they were being decimated.

Vaccinating 12-15 is not about protecting the 12-15 age group. It is about protecting the population as a whole and giving that segment of the community the choice to protect everyone else by having themselves vaccinated. It is the same choice I made because I can tell you there is not a chance in hell I'd have taken the vaccine to protect myself. Even to make travel easier.

Those parents of 12-15 year olds need to stop and think that they may become the centre of a blame game with their children if their own parents suddenly die of the virus after their child contracting Covid. Teenage relations are bad enough without that load of guilt.

This is not an easy decision. But the Courts allow children from 10 onwards to make life changing decisions when families fall apart. I see little difference here. I have Far, FAR, more issue with MMR at the age they vaccinate the children. Especially when they ran away and hid when my wife informed them that there was Crones in the family. Not One Single Word was ever said again about MMR. Yet everyone is, apparently, way happy with that chance and also the one in a million very severe consequences of the flu vaccine.

I only have one grandchild in the age bracket, but she lives in Argentina. She's getting vaccinated and we have no say. One other is too young, the rest are older and already vaccinated.