Is Covid plan B about to be enacted?

[TheOstrich]

Covid is not going away. Influenza is not going away. But both can be managed. The trouble is, we differ as to how to manage it.

I think I would like to say to the anti-vaxxers, and those who want to "force" people to stop wearing face masks because they deem them to be ineffective (oh yes, they're out in force and very vocal across other parts of the social media I frequent) well, you go ahead and do what you want. But don't expect me (and many of my generation) to support you or follow you. I'll do what I'm comfortable with, thank you, and that's continue to socially distance, continue to wear a face mask, not use public transport, interact with other folk as infrequently as I can get away with, and continue to keep as safe as possible. You know something? - I'm quite content with that lifestyle .....

Some talk about NHS mismanagement being the root cause of everything, and say the "overwhelming of the NHS" is a urban myth and the season effects of flu and Covid combined can be coped with - these are the anti-vaxxers and the "freedom" movement who want to let infections rip. The NHS is overwhelmed now, that's not an urban myth. The mental and physical toll on NHS staff is unbearable. Please trust me on this. I could say more, and indeed might in the future, but not at the moment.

Many people are selfish, and many people are deluded. How you identify which faction is which depends which side of the fence you are standing on - but I know what I think.

[Workingman]

I'll do what I'm comfortable with, thank you, and that's continue to socially distance, continue to wear a face mask, not use public transport, interact with other folk as infrequently as I can get away with, and continue to keep as safe as possible. You know something? - I'm quite content with that lifestyle ..... .

Same here. It is hardly any inconvenience at all and it is not hurting the economy one jot. My use of public transport is by free pass and although I do fewer shops they are a bit bigger than the old way. The only thing I am buying less of is fuel, but that leaves more for the panic buyers a win-win.

[Suff]

Until the time that you suddenly find that this is mandatory and "your" problem and it has become the standard way of dealing with things.

I don't mind anyone wearing a mask if it makes them feel more comfortable. Just don't expect me to wear one just because someone else has that fear or lack of comfort. Unlike the person who was shrieking at Mrs S and #1 daughter in Downton because HE was wearing a Mask and scared to death that anyone around him might infect him. If he's so scared then don't go out, if he thinks his mask won't protect him, then do online shopping. What he does not have a right to do is project his fear onto others and demand that they wear masks because he doesn't trust the vaccine.

Ossie I fully support your right to wear a mask, self isolate and practise social distancing and I'm not ever going to deny your right to do that.

But I won't ever support your fear that the vaccines don't work and that you are at incredible risk, in forcing the rest of the population into masks, social distancing and anything else we have done over the last year. Just because you don't trust the vaccines does not mean the rest of the country doesn't.

The figures are clear. Unvaccinated people (mainly children) are becoming infected in ever increasing numbers. The answer is clear. Vaccinate them. The numbes are also clear. Deaths are not going back to the levels of January because the vaccines work in stopping people from dying from Covid. So the message is clear. Vaccinate everyone we can with minimal risk.

Masks, distancing, fear? They are the tools to control the virus without a vaccine.

With a vaccine, the tools to control the virus are vaccination.

We must never lose sight of that and we must never be ruled by fear.

[Kaz]

Some talk about NHS mismanagement being the root cause of everything, and say the "overwhelming of the NHS" is a urban myth and the season effects of flu and Covid combined can be coped with - these are the anti-vaxxers and the "freedom" movement who want to let infections rip. The NHS is overwhelmed now, that's not an urban myth. The mental and physical toll on NHS staff is unbearable. Please trust me on this. I could say more, and indeed might in the future, but not at the moment.

Many people are selfish, and many people are deluded. How you identify which faction is which depends which side of the fence you are standing on - but I know what I think.

Too right Ossie!

[cromwell]

Many people are selfish, and many people are deluded.

And many people are neither.

[Workingman]

I love it how the antis throw out 'fear' to slag off those of us who behave properly and decently. If I was fearful I would never go out, I would hide behind the sofa - another accusation from the antis. Yet I do go out to the supermarkets and other shops, pubs, GPs and hospitals!

The reason I wear a mask, sanitise and keep my distance is because they all help, even if only a bit - every little helps etc. It costs me pennies to do it, I am in control, and I have lost next to no freedoms.

However, I will lose control and freedoms if we go into a lockdown brought on by the actions and behaviour of others.

Over and out.

[Suff]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... r-optimism

Read, enjoy.

The ONS estimates that for the week ending 9 October, 8.1% of children in school years 7 to 11 would have tested positive for coronavirus. This equates to about 5% becoming infected every week and adding to the pool of the immune. Before schools went back after the summer, a substantial minority of children in London may have had antibodies to the virus. With natural infections building on that immunity for weeks, cases may soon start to fall. And since schoolchildren are seeding infections into the community, national cases may follow suit.

That figure is between 28,000 and 30,000 cases per day.

Go figure.

[Workingman]

That figure is between 28,000 and 30,000 cases per day.

Note: no link. It is a made up figure and is not mentioned anywhere, but it sounds good. It is what the antis do.

Deflect and be selective, or just make thing up.

Everyone, please go read the whole article for the truth.

Try this:

It is hard to be upbeat about the latest numbers. The government’s Covid dashboard is awash with red and upward-pointing arrows. New cases have climbed 17% on the week. Hospital admissions are up 11% and deaths have increased by 21%. This is not where we wanted to be nearly two years into the pandemic – and 10 months into the most successful mass vaccination campaign in the history of the NHS.

Please, people, do not listen to the antis and their propaganda. They are dangerous to your health.

[miasmum]

Its the same with everything, for every 'for' there is an 'against'.

Those that are against are propagandists, those that are for are scaremongers

I'll stick with I'll do me and you do you. If I am with you and you want me to wear a mask I will. I will try to remember to wash my hands more, but that is about it. I have to go to work, my husband has to go to work, we have to live our lives, but we maintain a modicum of careful behaviour.

[Suff]

That figure is between 28,000 and 30,000 cases per day.

Note: no link. It is a made up figure and is not mentioned anywhere, but it sounds good. It is what the antis do.

Honestly. You can search for what you want to say but you can't search to verify what other say.

Hardly a debate.

https://explore-education-statistics.se ... cteristics

State-funded primary Headcount - Total 2021 4,660,264

Guardian article states.

The ONS estimates that for the week ending 9 October, 8.1% of children in school years 7 to 11 would have tested positive for coronavirus.

8.1% of 4.6m is 377,481
Divide that by 7 is 53,925. Per Day.

Primary school starts at 5, not 7. I allowed for that in the numbers I gave.

You can ignore the Private schools, the 0.5m for primary and secondary don't change the numbers much.

You can do and believe what you want. Just don't expect that I'll accept it is a reason for forcing masks on people and starting to introduce restrictions. It is not and government ministers are also reiterating it is not. The NHS is not overstressed, people are dying, yes, but they are dying of a LOT of other things too.

Personally we've been invited out to a ceilidh night locally for Sat 6th Nov. We're going, it will be great to get out.

Because you can't get in anywhere here without double vaccination (they ditched a negative PCR test), nobody has to wear a mask once inside.

Meanwhile the press is going their mile about a 26 year old mum who died of Covid.

Yep, she had diabetes, clearly had other underlying problems and she did not take the vaccine and went out as if she were invincible.

This is, somehow, justification for Plan B. Not in my world.