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Postby KateLMead » 15 Apr 2013, 18:02

Great post suff.There are two sides to every story..
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Postby shazsha » 15 Apr 2013, 20:12

Yes, there are at least two sides to every story so that means you will get at least two viewpoints.

We could sit here all day and debate Thatcher's policies and how they affected the lives of people but I dont see any point to it because I doubt any of us will change our viewpoints. Suff a good post, though I dont agree with a lot of it. However I really only joined in this thread to express what I see as the predictability of current happenings.
People/the country were divided on Thatcher's policies and , to me, it was obvious that we'd be divided on reactions to her death.

As I said previously I do believe the media has hyped up a lot of the for and against re Thatcher. I dont know, personally, anyone who was saddened to hear of her death but, by the same token, I havent seen any death parties, etc and yet the media would lead us to be believe that half the nation are out singing and dancing at her passing.

If people dont want to fly a flag, or decide to turn their back on her funeral cortege or throw parties then I believe they have the right to do so. For years I believed I'd feel more(in an anti fashion) on hearing about her death but I havent. If I was to sum up my views on Thatcher I'd have to say I have a grudging respect for how she made it in a man's world and for the determination she showed in following through on what she believed. However I still dont like her and certainly didn't admire her leadership policies/actions.

It seems to me that the media have forgotten, in all their hype, that an elderly woman has died and her family are grieving- all they can see is a way to gain viewers/readers by highlighting the divides on feelings for her political personna.
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Re: Flags

Postby Suff » 15 Apr 2013, 20:32

shazsha wrote:It seems to me that the media have forgotten, in all their hype, that an elderly woman has died and her family are grieving- all they can see is a way to gain viewers/readers by highlighting the divides on feelings for her political personna.


And in that you show more humanity than the entire press corps themselves Shaz. Whatever she may have been to politics, she was a wife and a mother too. I hope her family spends as much time reading/viewing the press on this as I do. Zero seconds.


I have to admit that I come from two families who are services orientated and strongly themed with personal business and private enterprise. The Thatcher years were geared to the ethos of my family and I will view the things the way I do.

I leave it up to others as to whether they agree with them or not. What I will say is that any change, required to take the country out of the malaise it was in, would be deeply divisive. Because this change would have to be so fundamental within the country. Depending which side of the divide you stood on, depends which viewpoint you take.

Ned Lud was correct that the industrial revolution would destroy the lives of the middle of the road Briton. He was also totally wrong. Had Britain not led in the industrial revolution, it is almost certain that we would have been invaded by a much more powerful and industrialised aggressor which we would not have been able to defend against. This was borne out in the American Civil War where sheer manufacturing might and industrialisation in the North, finally destroyed the flair, ability and sheer dogged determination of the South.

This debate will go on until every person who lived through the Thatcher years and every great grandchild of those people has finally gone to rest. Then it will be debated by the historians and the story will change out of all recognition unless you are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to find the original source media.

Personally I'd like the stocks for some of the press in this time. I'd personally pelt them with rotten veg and eggs..... They deserve it.
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Postby TheOstrich » 15 Apr 2013, 21:34

I'd have had a bit more sympathy for the offspring if I hadn't seen their rather "imperious" TV interviews.
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