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Postby cromwell » 05 Apr 2022, 13:02

Daily Telegraph journalist.
He wrote a good article yesterday about the not very Conservative government.
About how there is very little democracy in the country. No one, is his opinion, is for the consumer.
MP's are elected to represent their constituents but in reality rarely do. They pay very little regard to what their constituents want, but instead get drawn into the Westminster mind set that we should be given what we need, not what we want.
We might want a warm house, but do we need one?
So we don't need to eat meat, we don't need ice cars, we don't need to go on foreign holidays. We don't need privacy and we use the NHS far too much.
We are things to be managed, not free citizens who need representation. Too many MP's see the public as a nuisance.
I wouldn't say that we are sliding towards communism, but maybe to some kind of enforced "common good".
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Re: Tim Stanley

Postby Suff » 05 Apr 2022, 14:19

We get what we are willing to vote for.

The problem is that only fringe parties are straying from the middle line. So unless you vote for those "TERRIBLE" ISTS, you won't see any real change.

The last real change was when so many people voted for UKIP and Farage, to force a referendum on the EU, that Cameron saw the writing on the wall and allowed it.

Post that situation, it has gone right back to situation normal. SNAFU.

We don't vote for change any more. In fact we vote for no change, we just want our nice comfortable life to go on as it has and simply vote for anyone who will agree to continue it. Meanwhile those who rule are happy to let sleeping dogs lie and slowly wall in the nice comfortable world we live in. Once the walls are up to the front garden it will be far too late to act.

Let's face it. Change is distinctly NOT comfortable. Just look at Brexit. The rough ride is going to go on for quite a while. The goal is to control our own walls. Imagine just how much more difficult that would be in our day to day life. Vote in someone like Orban? Never you say. Yet, then, you have constrained you options for change. I see this every 5 years in the French presidential elections. They reject one candidate as "unacceptable" then spend the next 5 years bitching about the candidate they didn't vote for who won the election.

Stupid is as stupid does and the result it always going to be stupid.
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Re: Tim Stanley

Postby Workingman » 05 Apr 2022, 18:00

We get what we are willing to vote for.

Not always, some were conned into voting for the CONS.
Stupid is as stupid does and the result it always going to be stupid.

Certainly was last time. Maybe next time they will not be so stupid.

We can but hope.
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Re: Tim Stanley

Postby Suff » 05 Apr 2022, 18:34

Workingman wrote:We can but hope.


There is always hope.
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Re: Tim Stanley

Postby Workingman » 05 Apr 2022, 18:56

Suff wrote:There is always hope.

A hung parliament, with the Cons as a small minority. I'll go for that.
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Re: Tim Stanley

Postby Suff » 05 Apr 2022, 21:58

We had one of those recently. Disaster for democracy and wonderful for grandstanding pipsqueaks in the back benches.

I still remember the minority Labour Government in the 70's and the destruction of the Liberals and then the government that followed, weak, unstable, constantly facing extinction. 26% inflation... I wouldn't mind that so much as I don't have a mortgage and my work is market rate related. Pity anyone else on a mortgage or fixed income with minimal increases though.

I have come to face facts. Unless we give the entire entitled rats nest a real shock, nothing is going to change. But the price is way too high for most to pay and give it 25 years and the millennials won't see anything wrong with it anyway.

I don't see an acceptable fix and so things will limp on until the rug is pulled out.
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