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Re: Here we go again!

Postby TheOstrich » 20 Oct 2022, 15:03

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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Suff » 20 Oct 2022, 15:20

TheOstrich wrote:
saundra wrote:I'm sat knitting so I'm like
The cretinous Tory membership (sorry, Suff, no offence meant to you personally) to have a vote :shock: ? I wouldn't let them anywhere near a hole with a wheelbarrow.


No need to feel bad. I understand your feeling. I'm not a member right now so have no vote and don't plan to be either. However I do fall into the category you are so mad at and I'm big enough to accept the ire.

The problem is not so much the members, it is that the MP's are deciding who the members get to vote for. It is the MP's who need to be roasted over a slow fire. Something I just sent to the party chairman.

Now that Truss has resigned, chaos will reign. I'm not sure they can recover from this in the next decade and I don't know how the country is going to be run in the next 2 years.

The MP's may have stabbed Truss in the back, but she has put the skids under at least a third of them. They won't be getting re-elected. Payback's a bitch.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Suff » 20 Oct 2022, 15:21

cromwell wrote:The common or garden conservative MP is just hoping that somehow, something will change for them in the next two years to lessen the scale of their defeat.


No point in hoping, they're dead in the water. Truss has seen to that.

I hear Boris is mulling standing.... :ugeek: :ugeek:
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Workingman » 20 Oct 2022, 15:22

The problem with all this changing of horses mid race and then running the clock down is that the country is in limbo - nothing gets done.

We also need a change in the law so that a second resignation of a PM within one parliamentary term brings on a general election. It has only happened twice before; in 1900 - 1906 and just before WWII with Baldwin - Chamberlaine - Churchill, but that was an emergency. It should not become the norm or even allowed.

If Sunak wins, well whoever wins, has the biggest of problems. The Tory talent pool is so shallow that a gnat could not swim in it.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Suff » 20 Oct 2022, 15:24

Workingman wrote:The problem with all this changing of horses mid race and then running the clock down is that the country is in limbo - nothing gets done.


I think I mentioned that before???

I have suggested that the party wield the deselection knife. Now. Whilst the rest of the MP's are there to see who gets the chop. The bigger the chopped the louder the bang when they fall....

Perhaps a bit of sanity and stability would return?

No?

Perhaps not!
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby cromwell » 20 Oct 2022, 15:32

If Sunak gets the job, or Hunt, it will be a disgrace.

I'm going to say now that six years ago we voted for Brexit. As it stands we've got the arch-remainer Hunt running the country. (Althogh his American banker and hedge fund managers are probably running him). Sunak? I know he voted for Brexit but check out his constituency. Rural, conservative with a big and small C. He wasn't going to upset them. Sunak is an ex-Goldman Sachs banker and has appeared on video fronting for that group of billionaires who call themselves the World Economic Forum; and they are 1000% remainers. If Remain had won the brexit vote I would have accepted it. It's a pity that MP's don't seem to respect any vote if they don't like the result. "Brexit? Don't like it. Johnson? He's got to go. Truss? She's no good, we the MP's wanted Rishi".
Ain't democracy grand?

Sunak? If he wins it's a globalist, big money coup. Watch out for the idea of a digital currency being floated and all the other things his billionaire chums want.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby cromwell » 20 Oct 2022, 15:35

TheOstrich wrote:https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1583072541677002752


I'd rather the cat got it than most of the candidates.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Workingman » 20 Oct 2022, 17:39

C'mon Cromwell. please let this Brext / Remainer thing go. The blond Haystack got Brexit done - didn't he?

We now need to find competent people to try to run the country. It shouldn't matter whether they are Brexiters or Remainers, just that they can do the bloody job. The current mess is down to the in-fighting between ALL the factions in the Conservative party.

The Johnson and Truss were not removed by Remainers. Johnson went because he broke the law and took the piss out of the electorate. Truss went because she was utterly hopeless. It was their colective MPs, all of them, who had them removed.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Workingman » 20 Oct 2022, 17:51

The new rules.

Candidates must have the support of 100 MPs in order to stand, so the maxium is three. 50.1% wins.

If a winner is picked from MP votes the members get no say. Bless!

If two remain only then do the members get to vote via the Internet. but the MPs still rule.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Suff » 20 Oct 2022, 17:52

Workingman wrote:It was their colective MPs, all of them, who had them removed.


In fact their collective MP's realised they had power beyond just rubber stamping legislation when they went against May. They doubled down on this with Johnson and blew it out the park with Truss.

Now they need a damned good kicking to remind them what their role is. Ask questions, certainly, suggest changes, sure. Kill the leader? Not quite.
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