The influence of UKIP

[Suff]

I feel another mail to Grant Shapps coming on....

[Workingman]

If what I have been seeing so far is anything to go by it is going to have to be a strongly worded mail about getting heads and fingers out of the same orifice, and pdq.

[KateLMead]

Pity that Labour are celebrating!! It is said that in Mansfield and Nottinghamshire Labour has done very well, God forbid Labour should ever get back into power.. UKIP for me.... I am more than willing to give them a chance. The Cons state these results have given them a wake up call. What does it take to get these morons to wake up... As for Clegg what a tosser he is what he looks, a weak hypocrite, he will need a break after all the stress , never mind offhe can go to his 22 roomed Swiss mansion where he and his family can relax.

[TheOstrich]

Just a couple of initial observations:

Ukip have helped to smash the BNP. By providing a non-racist Right-wing alternative, they reduced the BNP’s result in the Spalding East and Moulton ward in Lincolnshire from 20.5 per cent in 2009 to just 3.9 per cent today.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timst ... evolution/

At least this is a relatively honest assessment of the party. The BBC coverage, however, has been slyly pointing out that Ukip gains = BNP losses, with the unspoken conclusion that the Ukip vote is predominantly last time's BNP vote.

16.06 Major win for Labour: they have taken Nottinghamshire Council from the Tories with a majority of one. Labour are up 21 seats and the Tories down 14. Ukip have lost their only seat on the council - but have a vote share of 19 per cent. The Lib Dems got 9 per cent of the vote but keep eight seats (down one.) Such are the quirks of the first past the post system.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10034878/Local-election-2013-results-live.html

Which is why we need to ditch first past the post. It's simply undemocatic.

[KateLMead]

Oh dear.. Numbers are not my forte, but it doesn't look good seemingly Labour is on the up!!

[Workingman]

Just a couple of initial observations:

....... The BBC coverage, however, has been slyly pointing out that Ukip gains = BNP losses, with the unspoken conclusion that the Ukip vote is predominantly last time's BNP vote.

That is what I was pointing out the other day, Ossie, the hope being that voters would snub UKIP as the racist party. It obviously did not work.

Oh dear.. Numbers are not my forte, but it doesn't look good seemingly Labour is on the up!!

The numbers are not that good for labour, Kate. It needed to be in the 500 gain territory for it to be on course for government, and that did not happen, not even if all the UKIP seats had gone to Labour.

One thing to note: The Euro elections are next year and UKIP is a shoe-in to do extremely well. That will mean that come the General Election in 2015 UKIP will be on a two year roll, with everything for them being positive. That might, I say "might", really be a game changer.

[Suff]

If what I have been seeing so far is anything to go by it is going to have to be a strongly worded mail about getting heads and fingers out of the same orifice, and pdq.

Did I post my mail to grant Shapps???

[Workingman]

Did I post my mail to grant Shapps???

I'm thinking "Yes".

[cromwell]

Go Nige!

[Suff]

Hmmm, I'll have time on the planes Monday/Tuesday to think this over.

That vote has absolutely got to strike fear into the heart of the Tory party. I'm wondering what the Lib Dems will make of it? It could, in fact, drive them to entirely the wrong conclusion and push their core votes to Labour. Not something I'd really want, but it would cement UKIP as the third party in politics.

If the Tories don't wake up and start smelling the coffee, they could wind up as the third... For the remainder of this electoral term and the whole of the next, EU politics will factor more and more strongly. As the Eurozone countries combine their economies and become one political union, Britain will be faced with a stark choice. Join or leave. I humbly submit that it is a small and extreme section of the British public who want to hand over powers of Finance, Defence and Foreign Relations to Brussels....

The UKIP currently trumpet that the EU is creating a "Duplicate" foreign service. In fact they are not duplicating anything. They are preparing the "Replacement".

The UKIP are missing their strongest arguments. One that the EU will control and manage British foreign policy and Two that it is When, not IF the UK loses it's seat on the UN Security council.

Think my statement on the UN is Fearmongering or FUD? There is no uncertainty about it. When, not IF, the UK surrenders it's political powers to Brussels, then the UK will have no right to that seat any more than Texas does. Texas is a bigger landmass, a MUCH bigger economy and has more people than the UK. Who would consider, for one second, giving Texas a seat on the UN security council???

So we face a choice. Submit or Leave. Because the Bilateral summit between France and Germany is not going to become Trilateral whether we stay or not, whether we surrender our powers or not. Which means our foreign policy and our representation on the UN will become Franco German and not British.

Care to guess how many British want that????