I support Israel, and always have, but come on!

[Suff]

Not all Palestinians are Hamas / Hezbollah supporters, you do know that?

Absolutely but 50 of their population are children. That means they grew up with Hamas in government and have been programmed with their training camps. Hitler Youth style.

Kaz, that is an issue with most UK MSM. They are clueless. They don't even realise that there are another 2m+ Palestinians in the West Bank with power, water and services or another 5m+ in Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon.

[Suff]

Yes, but let's not fall into the trap of believing that the Palestinians were always to blame for the failures, Israel played its part as well.

Building Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, criticised by it own allies, poked a stick in the wasps' nest. It is unnecessary but still goes on. Like it or not, Palestinians will never accept it.

True but Ehud Barak shut that down and made peace.

The problem with Hamas is their Covenant and the fact that they fully believe every word.

[Suff]

The TV coverage has changed, as it was always going to.
They are back on form now, fulminating about international law and how Israel should act proportionately, and how there should be a "humanitarian ceasefire".

There wasn't any mention of international law, proportionality or ceasefires when Hamas burst over the border, raping, mudering and kidnapping.
UK media bias is off the scale.

Last night a Christian hospital suffered an explosion. Within Minutes Hamas had said it was an Israeli bomb and 500 were dead. Queue the virtue signalling all over the world including western governments.

If you are on X, you can see there is one little problem and WM will also recognise this.

Israel is using 500lb, 1,000lb and 2,000lb JDAM guided precision munitions. If you are where they land let's call them hell, hell on steroids and hell to the power of 100.

But Quds put out a video within hours showing the hospital. I grabbed this video and checked it. Buildings standing. Just over the courtyard, full of burning vehicles, a building with palm trees outside, undamaged with undamaged windows. Overpressure from even a 500lb bomb will blow out the windows for hundreds of meters.

As the night wore on Israel confirmed by several different methods including conversation on the air between two Hamas operatives, that it was a failed launch of a Hamas rocket which came down in the car park of the hospital.

This morning we see the site. Not a building destroyed. Yes some windows out but no full destruction. Almost every building has solar panels on the roofs, light frames, not touched.

Yet the condemnation continues.

However you have to ask. If the buildings were not destroyed and there is no evidence of collapse and windows are not broken, then where did the 500 dead come from? The number or do they have 500 dead bodies just waiting to blame on Israel and how did they die.

This will be a LOT darker before it is finished. There are confirmed reports that civilians fleeing south were car bombed by a Hamas suicide bomber to keep them in the north, killing 70. They blamed that on Israel too.

Staying away from the MSM is a good idea right now. This is moving so fast and is so confused that MSM won't keep up for a week but they will scream with outrage at every Hamas lie.

[Workingman]

From the images and videos I have seen it looks like a Qassam rocket malfunction - maybe the warhead went off in mid-air. Qassam rockets are fire-and-forget weapons with no guidance systems. A Q4 only carries about 20kg of explosives.

The crater is not big enough, deep enough nor symmetrical enough for it to be from a high explosive military weapon.

The blast front from such a weapon would have done a lot more damage to the buildings than blow in a few windows. The canopy on a nearby building would have gone, and the two carports with dislodged roof tiles would have been demolished. The trees, only a few metres away, would have been blown down or snapped and the nearest cars would have been unidentifiable lumps of crumpled metal thrown across the car park. Instead all the cars are burnt out wrecks - all of them where they were parked bar one that is upturned.

The video of whatever it was that hit shows a large flash and then the whole courtyard and cars going up in flames. High explosives do not do that.

When it comes to deaths and casualties that is another matter, and we will probably never know the true number for each. What we do know is that many hundreds of locals were sheltering in the hospital grounds because in their minds a hospital was a safe(er) space than their homes and businesses. That should be true, but sadly this did not prove to be the case.

[Suff]

Yes, this was my thinking. I'm now demanding that anyone who screams about this produce the 500 dead. Fair's fair isn't it? They demanded to see the 40 babies with heads cut off even though that wasn't the actual claim.

There is now a very succinct IDF video explaining everything.

https://x.com/IDF/status/1714811719053115496?s=20

The problem is that governments and demonstrators have taken this as holy writ and started condemning Israel for an act which they never committed. People have started burning temples, invading embassies and trade delegations. Burning the properties.

In the video the spokesman talks about their restricted target database. A lot of people know nothing about that but all modern militaries have them. Sadly terrorist liars don't.

Are all these people who condemned or lashed out going to apologise?

Unlikely although one congresswoman has retracted and quoted fog of war. It is interesting because I used that exact phrase in one of my replies on this situation about 6-8 hours before..

[Workingman]

The video I mentioned earlier was from Al Jaz. It shows a mid air explosion and then seconds later the hit on the hospital / ground, which was directly underneath. Sky now has an alaysis.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas ... g-12978800

Conclusion: I was an accident, a malfunction of a PIJ (Palestine Islamic Jihad) missile. They are allies of Hamas. It was not intended by either side, but these things happen in war.

Why not stop and talk?

[Suff]

Why not stop and talk?

So that Hamas can get in supplies to fight longer and harder?

The goal is not to stop, not to talk, it is to go in on the ground and remove Hamas. Permanently. I happen to agree with that.

[Workingman]

The goal is not to stop, not to talk, it is to go in on the ground and remove Hamas. Permanently.

That is never going to happen. It is a religious war that has gone on for over a thousand years. Remove Hamas / HizbAllah and there will be others to take their place, just as they took over from the PLO and Fatah.

Something, anything, has to be better than what is happening today.

[Suff]

Well you can negotiate with the PA but you can't negotiate with Hamas.

So Hamas needs to go. This gives options.